Truckers' Trucking Forum | Largest Class A Message Board - The Premier Truck Drivers Forum!  

Trucker MySpace - Truckers Making Friends. Chicken Truckers Come Meet Other Truckers!

Truck Trading Post - New Classified Ads Section! Post for Free, Sell Your Stuff Fast!




Go Back   Truckers' Trucking Forum | Largest Class A Message Board > Truckers & Politics > Politics

Truckers' Trucking Forum/Message Board - The Premiere Truck Driver Forum

Politics Do Not Pass/Pass With Care. Today's truckers are far more educated and cognizant of the issues regarding politics due to the sharp increase in talk radio, and various trucking news media sources. Talk politics. Do truckers like politicians?

More Political Sites:

Political Forum Reform US Government


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  ^ Top   #1  
Old 09.30.2008
Big Duker's Avatar
"Don Cheto"
 
Last Seen: 4 Hours Ago 03.09 PM
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Weatherford,TX
Trucker? 27 Years
Age: 54
Posts: 4,357
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 2,086
Thanked: 2,189 Times
Is Bankruptcy the Answer-One Economist Thinks So

By Jeffrey A. Miron
Special to CNN


Editor's note: Jeffrey A. Miron is senior lecturer in economics at Harvard University. A Libertarian, he was one of 166 academic economists who signed a letter to congressional leaders last week opposing the government bailout plan.
Economist Jeffrey Miron says the bailout plan presented to Congress was the wrong solution to the crisis





CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Congress has balked at the Bush administration's proposed $700 billion bailout of Wall Street. Under this plan, the Treasury would have bought the "troubled assets" of financial institutions in an attempt to avoid economic meltdown.
This bailout was a terrible idea. Here's why.
The current mess would never have occurred in the absence of ill-conceived federal policies. The federal government chartered Fannie Mae in 1938 and Freddie Mac in 1970; these two mortgage lending institutions are at the center of the crisis. The government implicitly promised these institutions that it would make good on their debts, so Fannie and Freddie took on huge amounts of excessive risk.
Worse, beginning in 1977 and even more in the 1990s and the early part of this century, Congress pushed mortgage lenders and Fannie/Freddie to expand subprime lending. The industry was happy to oblige, given the implicit promise of federal backing, and subprime lending soared.
This subprime lending was more than a minor relaxation of existing credit guidelines. This lending was a wholesale abandonment of reasonable lending practices in which borrowers with poor credit characteristics got mortgages they were ill-equipped to handle.
Once housing prices declined and economic conditions worsened, defaults and delinquencies soared, leaving the industry holding large amounts of severely depreciated mortgage assets.
The fact that government bears such a huge responsibility for the current mess means any response should eliminate the conditions that created this situation in the first place, not attempt to fix bad government with more government.
The obvious alternative to a bailout is letting troubled financial institutions declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy means that shareholders typically get wiped out and the creditors own the company.
Bankruptcy does not mean the company disappears; it is just owned by someone new (as has occurred with several airlines). Bankruptcy punishes those who took excessive risks while preserving those aspects of a businesses that remain profitable.
In contrast, a bailout transfers enormous wealth from taxpayers to those who knowingly engaged in risky subprime lending. Thus, the bailout encourages companies to take large, imprudent risks and count on getting bailed out by government. This "moral hazard" generates enormous distortions in an economy's allocation of its financial resources.
Thoughtful advocates of the bailout might concede this perspective, but they argue that a bailout is necessary to prevent economic collapse. According to this view, lenders are not making loans, even for worthy projects, because they cannot get capital. This view has a grain of truth; if the bailout does not occur, more bankruptcies are possible and credit conditions may worsen for a time.
Talk of Armageddon, however, is ridiculous scare-mongering. If financial institutions cannot make productive loans, a profit opportunity exists for someone else. This might not happen instantly, but it will happen.
Further, the current credit freeze is likely due to Wall Street's hope of a bailout; bankers will not sell their lousy assets for 20 cents on the dollar if the government might pay 30, 50, or 80 cents.
The costs of the bailout, moreover, are almost certainly being understated. The administration's claim is that many mortgage assets are merely illiquid, not truly worthless, implying taxpayers will recoup much of their $700 billion.
If these assets are worth something, however, private parties should want to buy them, and they would do so if the owners would accept fair market value. Far more likely is that current owners have brushed under the rug how little their assets are worth.
The bailout has more problems. The final legislation will probably include numerous side conditions and special dealings that reward Washington lobbyists and their clients.
Anticipation of the bailout will engender strategic behavior by Wall Street institutions as they shuffle their assets and position their balance sheets to maximize their take. The bailout will open the door to further federal meddling in financial markets.
So what should the government do? Eliminate those policies that generated the current mess. This means, at a general level, abandoning the goal of home ownership independent of ability to pay. This means, in particular, getting rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with policies like the Community Reinvestment Act that pressure banks into subprime lending.
The right view of the financial mess is that an enormous fraction of subprime lending should never have occurred in the first place. Someone has to pay for that. That someone should not be, and does not need to be, the U.S. taxpayer.
Reply With Quote
Remove This Ad By Registering. Join Our Truck Forum and Trucking Community For Free. Sponsored Links:

  ^ Top   #2  
Old 09.30.2008
Ronnocomot's Avatar
MIA (Banned or Retired)
 
Last Seen: 12.13.2008 11.20 PM
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: IL
Trucker? 4-Wheeler
Posts: 8,315
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 40
Thanked: 801 Times
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Duker View Post
By Jeffrey A. Miron
Special to CNN


Editor's note: Jeffrey A. Miron is senior lecturer in economics at Harvard University. A Libertarian, he was one of 166 academic economists who signed a letter to congressional leaders last week opposing the government bailout plan.
Economist Jeffrey Miron says the bailout plan presented to Congress was the wrong solution to the crisis





CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Congress has balked at the Bush administration's proposed $700 billion bailout of Wall Street. Under this plan, the Treasury would have bought the "troubled assets" of financial institutions in an attempt to avoid economic meltdown.
This bailout was a terrible idea. Here's why.
The current mess would never have occurred in the absence of ill-conceived federal policies. The federal government chartered Fannie Mae in 1938 and Freddie Mac in 1970; these two mortgage lending institutions are at the center of the crisis. The government implicitly promised these institutions that it would make good on their debts, so Fannie and Freddie took on huge amounts of excessive risk.
Worse, beginning in 1977 and even more in the 1990s and the early part of this century, Congress pushed mortgage lenders and Fannie/Freddie to expand subprime lending. The industry was happy to oblige, given the implicit promise of federal backing, and subprime lending soared.
This subprime lending was more than a minor relaxation of existing credit guidelines. This lending was a wholesale abandonment of reasonable lending practices in which borrowers with poor credit characteristics got mortgages they were ill-equipped to handle.
Once housing prices declined and economic conditions worsened, defaults and delinquencies soared, leaving the industry holding large amounts of severely depreciated mortgage assets.
The fact that government bears such a huge responsibility for the current mess means any response should eliminate the conditions that created this situation in the first place, not attempt to fix bad government with more government.
The obvious alternative to a bailout is letting troubled financial institutions declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy means that shareholders typically get wiped out and the creditors own the company.
Bankruptcy does not mean the company disappears; it is just owned by someone new (as has occurred with several airlines). Bankruptcy punishes those who took excessive risks while preserving those aspects of a businesses that remain profitable.
In contrast, a bailout transfers enormous wealth from taxpayers to those who knowingly engaged in risky subprime lending. Thus, the bailout encourages companies to take large, imprudent risks and count on getting bailed out by government. This "moral hazard" generates enormous distortions in an economy's allocation of its financial resources.
Thoughtful advocates of the bailout might concede this perspective, but they argue that a bailout is necessary to prevent economic collapse. According to this view, lenders are not making loans, even for worthy projects, because they cannot get capital. This view has a grain of truth; if the bailout does not occur, more bankruptcies are possible and credit conditions may worsen for a time.
Talk of Armageddon, however, is ridiculous scare-mongering. If financial institutions cannot make productive loans, a profit opportunity exists for someone else. This might not happen instantly, but it will happen.
Further, the current credit freeze is likely due to Wall Street's hope of a bailout; bankers will not sell their lousy assets for 20 cents on the dollar if the government might pay 30, 50, or 80 cents.
The costs of the bailout, moreover, are almost certainly being understated. The administration's claim is that many mortgage assets are merely illiquid, not truly worthless, implying taxpayers will recoup much of their $700 billion.
If these assets are worth something, however, private parties should want to buy them, and they would do so if the owners would accept fair market value. Far more likely is that current owners have brushed under the rug how little their assets are worth.
The bailout has more problems. The final legislation will probably include numerous side conditions and special dealings that reward Washington lobbyists and their clients.
Anticipation of the bailout will engender strategic behavior by Wall Street institutions as they shuffle their assets and position their balance sheets to maximize their take. The bailout will open the door to further federal meddling in financial markets.
So what should the government do? Eliminate those policies that generated the current mess. This means, at a general level, abandoning the goal of home ownership independent of ability to pay. This means, in particular, getting rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with policies like the Community Reinvestment Act that pressure banks into subprime lending.
The right view of the financial mess is that an enormous fraction of subprime lending should never have occurred in the first place. Someone has to pay for that. That someone should not be, and does not need to be, the U.S. taxpayer.
Those than can, do, those that can't, teach.
Reply With Quote
  ^ Top   #3  
Old 09.30.2008
Big Duker's Avatar
"Don Cheto"
 
Last Seen: 4 Hours Ago 03.09 PM
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Weatherford,TX
Trucker? 27 Years
Age: 54
Posts: 4,357
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 2,086
Thanked: 2,189 Times
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnocomot View Post
Those than can, do, those that can't, teach.

I think you meant "those THAT can". Gottcha!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Big Duker For This Useful Post:
Truckerjo (09.30.2008)
  ^ Top   #4  
Old 09.30.2008
Ronnocomot's Avatar
MIA (Banned or Retired)
 
Last Seen: 12.13.2008 11.20 PM
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: IL
Trucker? 4-Wheeler
Posts: 8,315
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 40
Thanked: 801 Times
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Duker View Post
I think you meant "those THAT can". Gottcha!
Duker 1
Ronno 34564

Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ronnocomot For This Useful Post:
Truckerjo (09.30.2008)
  ^ Top   #5  
Old 09.30.2008
Big Duker's Avatar
"Don Cheto"
 
Last Seen: 4 Hours Ago 03.09 PM
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Weatherford,TX
Trucker? 27 Years
Age: 54
Posts: 4,357
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 2,086
Thanked: 2,189 Times
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnocomot View Post
Duker 1
Ronno 34564

That's 1 down and 34563 to go. That is the way conservatives deal with stuff. Unless I can get Pelosi to write me into bailout for a couple hundred million.
Reply With Quote
Remove This Ad By Registering. Join Our Truck Forum and Trucking Community For Free. Sponsored Links:

  ^ Top   #6  
Old 09.30.2008
Ronnocomot's Avatar
MIA (Banned or Retired)
 
Last Seen: 12.13.2008 11.20 PM
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: IL
Trucker? 4-Wheeler
Posts: 8,315
My Trucking Photos: 0

Thanks: 40
Thanked: 801 Times
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Duker View Post
That's 1 down and 34563 to go. That is the way conservatives deal with stuff. Unless I can get Pelosi to write me into bailout for a couple hundred million.
She'll want me to chip in, but berate me before I get the checkbook out, and I'll tell her to go "pound sand"

Kind of like the House Repub's.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Truckers' Trucking Forum/Message Board


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Trucker Forum Replies Last Post
Bankruptcy judge orders victim to pay back thief Cybergal News - NON Trucking News 2 09.22.2008 09.33 AM
Indiana trucking company files bankruptcy Cybergal Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop 2 07.26.2008 08.12 AM
GM, Ford `On the Verge of Bankruptcy,' Altman Says Cybergal Car & Truck Talk 2 07.22.2008 06.36 PM
IdleAire trucking services company files for bankruptcy Cybergal Truckers News 57 07.20.2008 12.32 AM
Bally Total Fitness will move ahead with bankruptcy filing jamwadmag News - NON Trucking News 2 08.03.2007 10.51 AM


.


vBulletin Forum Software, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Copyright © TheTruckersReport.com - Trucking Forum & Message Board - Truck Driver Discussion - Truck Forum

Trucker Forum Disclaimer: All content, information and opinions (collectively, the "Material") presented on Our Trucker Forum Discussion Board at TheTruckersReport.com are those of the authors of posts and messages (collectively, the "participants") and not The Truckers Report. The Truckers Report does not guarantee the reliability, completeness, accuracy, timeliness or up-to-date-ness of the material presented on the Truck Driver Forum. The material is published "as is," and does not represent the official views and opinions of The Truckers Report or any company. Any reliance upon the Material presented on these forums shall be at User's own risk. The Truckers Report does not review the substance of the content posted by users on these forums and is therefore not responsible for any of such content. The Truckers Forum merely provides a space for its users to express and exchange their own opinions. Privacy Statement.


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO