Originally Posted by doubledragon5

I agree as I grew up with many in my hood, who were decent hard working people. We use to watch their kids, and they would watch our when needed.. I work with a lot of black folks now, and they are pleasant. But it is people like Sharpton, and Jackson and now I'm sure Obama who think that they are owed something because of slavery. If any one would have been owed anything it is the ones who were actual slaves, but they are long gone.. Black folks get treated no differently now then they did yrs ago. You might say in some ways they get treated better.. They have their own beauty contest, black entertainment network etc... If we had any of those for just whites, we would be called the KKK..

Originally Posted by im6under

"they" probably expect true racial equality where "they" aren't grouped togather and characterized as the welfare and foodstamp crowd who even has a black president.

Originally Posted by im6under

I agree with you to a certain point...

but would like to throw out the thought that the guy coming thru Ellis Island has a distinctive advantage over my version of the average down-trod inter-city youth.

This may seem overly sympethic to you but I think there is a real phsychology being either brain-washed into or perpatrated upon america's inter-city youths.

When you grow up in a bad environment. Environment meaning virtually everywhere you look things suck: family life, parents, money, jobs, neighborhood, schools, drugs, alcohol, the community as a whole is in a shambles...

you are raised in this environment and it really is all you know... unless you are incredibly gifted, or have had a parent really pushing education, college is not an option because you honestly may have the raw intelligence, but because it has not been developed, smart kids are uneducated and therefore not going to college. they have in effect been trained and forced into a position of non-participation.

they are partially responsible, but more so their parent(s), and their community as a whole. I say this because no 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, year old would by any percentage do anymore than what is required... they are children, so they are not noticed because they are not in serious trouble at this point but this is when their futures are made.

its nearly impossible to reverse the damages done at this age that won't really show the depth of the damage until they are 15,16,17,... and in jail for robbery... or drugs or because... (fill-in-the-blank)

we need to help them before they are sunk while they are still saveable.

The idea that immigrants from Ellis Island can come here and make good is really a red-herring being dragged across the trail...

In fairness: "Every guy" that turns up at Ellis -Island should succeed.

Just as "some" of the inner-city will succeed.

You see the guy at ellis-island... has already been burning with desire for more... and he has already left his ghetto in search of a better way... but for every ellis-islander there are thousands left back that didn't know or have the extra special desire. all of these are left out of the equation and example of: "if the immigrant can do it why not the inner-city youths that are already here?"

Its comparing the world wide cream of the crop, to the larger local group of poverty stricken that happen to be already here.

I advocate for single-moms and all underpriviledged children.

We need to make sure that during the formative years all children are getting the care and education they need to grow and be being a productive member of society.

If mom and dad need financial help then we need programs to make this happen that have stringent requirements forcing responsibility upon them. Its not money for them (the parents) its money for the kids so we can break the cycle and not be doomed to paying welfare forever 3rd generation. This takes environment and education... and sometimes removing kids very early in life before the damage is done.

its simply to late to grab a kid with a ten year history of abuse and think your going to fix it by tossing them in another poverty stricken foster home.

we need to kick mom's arse hard and fast before the kid is "damaged" goods.

with good programs and a #### load of money, the problem can be fixed in a generation, 20 - 35 years...

with out it...???? we'll have this same conversation in 50 years.

Originally Posted by im6under

I understand jesse was a crusader for civil rights and on the dr's platform in the 60's but still... to me... he's made a profitable carreer out of his 15 minutes of fame and not really contributed much since that time.

Originally Posted by roadkill439342

All the "ills" of inner-city youth were created by the Democrats and their policies that keep people dependent on the Government for their support. The "Great Society"....as envisioned by Roosevelt.

Originally Posted by roadkill439342

Originally Posted by im6under

obama... he's the elephant... and an intelligent one.

I honestly feel we have nothing to fear from the man... he isn't going to communize or socialize us out of existance or even murmer passing any laws that will overtly help just blacks or just hispanics... to me he is smart enough to know it is best to fight the class system which can in turn fight the race system for him without alienating the majority of his base.

that may scare many of you... but none of you is earning that kind of cash to have it profoundly affect your income.

thinking it will is only parroting the fears of the wealthy whom it really will effect and likely dearly.

Originally Posted by im6under

dunno???? my use of the word platform was in reference to jesse was a supporter of dr king and his philosophy or platform...

but regardless of stories I do think he's been riding that train for years... without really accomplishing much beyond being a familiar face for the camera to zoom in on.

familiarity may be of benefit in some limited circumstances but I think over all it costs every story credibility because the audience only has to disagree with one historical campaign and anything you say is either a lie or crying wolf in their eyes...

often its better to have many new faces preaching the same old story so that people fall under influence and realize how often these "limited one time deals" are actually happening.

it atleast gives the look of a crowd instead of a lone wolf preacher with the same game.