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112racing · **^ Top** #11 07.27.2009

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Fact One: The United States spends at least 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care
Fact Two: Federal studies by the Congressional Budget Office and the General Accounting office show that single payer universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits.
Fact Three: State studies by Massachusetts and Connecticut have shown that single payer universal health care would save 1 to 2 Billion dollars per year from the total medical expenses in those states despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits
Fact Four: The costs of health care in Canada as a % of GNP, which were identical to the United States when Canada changed to a single payer, universal health care system in 1971, have increased at a rate much lower than the United States, despite the US economy being much stronger than Canada’s.
Conclusion: Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to 100% more on administration than single payer systems. By lowering these administrative costs the United States would have the ability to provide universal health care, without managed care, increase benefits and still save

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hrdman2luv · **^ Top** #12 07.27.2009

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Originally Posted by Mooney

Don't worry, nationalized health care insurance won't be anywhere near profitable.

Ever.

Never.

In fact, it will bankrupt this Country.

We're already bankrupted... But bankrupting the country? I don't think so. Because not only will the money stay here, it will also help keep people working and paying taxes.

I mainly like the fact that the governments plan will bring some much needed competition to the Health Inusrance industry....Id rather see the insurance companies really competeing with themselves. But we can see, year after year after year, that's not going to happen.

Tuomas · **^ Top** #13 07.27.2009

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Originally Posted by hrdman2luv

We're already bankrupted... But bankrupting the country? I don't think so. Because not only will the money stay here, it will also help keep people working and paying taxes.

I mainly like the fact that the governments plan will bring some much needed competition to the Health Inusrance industry....Id rather see the insurance companies really competeing with themselves. But we can see, year after year after year, that's not going to happen.

That bill is to get RID of "private" health insurance. And give everybody the same freaking insurance. Go look at countries that had or have Socialist Health Care.

(Tip: Go GOOGLE what the Russian and Chinese Presidents told ours.)

Mooney · **^ Top** #14 07.27.2009

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Originally Posted by 112racing

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Oh really?

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The Congressional Budget Office has told key Republican lawmakers that the House Democrats' health care overhaul bill "would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year budget window."
CBO's analysis, released Sunday, was based on information requests from Ways and Means ranking member Dave Camp, R-Mich., Energy and Commerce ranking member Joe Barton, R-Texas, Education and Labor ranking member John Kline, R-Minn., and Budget ranking member Paul Ryan, R-Wis.
CBO previously determined the legislation would increase the federal deficit by $239 billion during the 10-year budget window.

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112racing · **^ Top** #15 07.27.2009

funny how everybody there has an "r" after his name

truckermario · **^ Top** #16 07.28.2009

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Originally Posted by 112racing

health care should not be a for profit buisness period !

making money off of denyng people medical care is moraly wrong .

*headdesk*

truckermario · **^ Top** #17 07.28.2009

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Originally Posted by hrdman2luv

We're already bankrupted... But bankrupting the country? I don't think so. Because not only will the money stay here, it will also help keep people working and paying taxes.

I mainly like the fact that the governments plan will bring some much needed competition to the Health Inusrance industry....Id rather see the insurance companies really competeing with themselves. But we can see, year after year after year, that's not going to happen.

Stop. Please. You're killing me.

There won't be ANY competition. The government already does too much. Giving them power over our health will already stretch them too far. The money WON'T be there. It will be rationalized health care.

hrdman2luv · **^ Top** #18 07.28.2009

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Originally Posted by truckermario

Stop. Please. You're killing me.

There won't be ANY competition. The government already does too much. Giving them power over our health will already stretch them too far. The money WON'T be there. It will be rationalized health care.

The government took over retirement (Social Security), and people still plan outside of SS. There are many companies that have services provided to people to help build their retirement.

The government took over the health care for the very young and the elderly. But there are still doctors that cater to the very young and elderly. There are still insurance companies that have insurance for the young and the old. So the government didn't whipe them out.

Look, the government version of health care, is probably going to suck. Anything the government does, never turns out to be as good as they claim. That's a no brainer.

But the government isn't going to whipe out private insurance companies. Just like in Canada, there are private insurance companies there. And their prices are much better, because of the competition. Matter of fact, Blue Cross recieve's profits every year up there...

There is a lot of rhetoric about canadians health care. As a matter of fact, there are some horror stories I could tell you, and many Americans could tell you about American health care. There is no perfect system. But the boogey man isn't hiding behind this one.

The government's system will probably suck. But the private insurance cost, wont....

truckermario · **^ Top** #19 07.28.2009

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Originally Posted by hrdman2luv

But the government isn't going to whipe out private insurance companies. Just like in Canada, there are private insurance companies there. And their prices are much better, because of the competition. Matter of fact, Blue Cross recieve's profits every year up there...

LOL. I think that's exactly what they're going to do. Wipe out the private insurance companies.

Got any proof about Canada? Why are Canadians coming to America if their private sector is so good?

ConservativeDemocrat · **^ Top** #20 07.28.2009

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Originally Posted by Tuomas

That bill is to get RID of "private" health insurance. And give everybody the same freaking insurance. Go look at countries that had or have Socialist Health Care.

(Tip: Go GOOGLE what the Russian and Chinese Presidents told ours.)

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Ridding America of private insurance is a lie. Of course privite insurance wants you to rally against universal health care, they would actually have to compete and lower their prices.If big business is so against any plan one needs to ask why. NOT for the good of the Nation in almost all cases. But rather theirselves.

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