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Mooney · **^ Top** #21 10.04.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

Here is one for you.....Why would American Conservatives like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh lend their undying support for Israel when the vast majority of individual Israeli citizens (and Politicians) are (politically) what Rush and Sean would consider Liberals?

The Israelis have the choice to be Liberal or Conservative.

That's why.

Not a lot of chances to be an opposition party in Iran, or North Korea, or Libya, or Syria.....well, you get the picture.

And again, where do you come up with these "facts"?

kajidono · **^ Top** #22 10.04.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

Here is one for you.....Why would American Conservatives like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh lend their undying support for Israel when the vast majority of individual Israeli citizens (and Politicians) are (politically) what Rush and Sean would consider Liberals?

Conservatives don't want liberals to die. They just want them to grow up a bit.

TruckrsWife · **^ Top** #23 10.04.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

Here is one for you.....Why would American Conservatives like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh lend their undying support for Israel when the vast majority of individual Israeli citizens (and Politicians) are (politically) what Rush and Sean would consider Liberals?

Because they know their Bible. God said, "I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel".

Unless you have some credible evidence to back your claim, Israeli Jews are not mostly liberal. They just got done voting in a conservative Prime Minister. Their government is similar to ours. You have extremes on either end of the spectrum and mostly moderates that are the vast majority. Beside the fact is I was referring to Jews in America who have a tendency to be liberal.

Jim Bob · **^ Top** #24 10.04.2009

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Originally Posted by TruckrsWife

Because they know their Bible. God said, "I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel".

Unless you have some credible evidence to back your claim, Israeli Jews are not mostly liberal. They just got done voting in a conservative Prime Minister. Their government is similar to ours. You have extremes on either end of the spectrum and mostly moderates that are the vast majority. Beside the fact is I was referring to Jews in America who have a tendency to be liberal.

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Of all Israeli prime ministers since 1948, it was only Menahem Begin who ever attended synagogue services outside of official duty, and even that very rarely.

In terms of religiosity, among Israeli Jews aged 20 and over, 44 percent defined themselves as secular; 27 percent defined themselves as traditional; 12 percent as traditionally observant; 9 percent as Orthodox; and 8 percent as ultra-Orthodox.

The historical gap between the European Enlightenment heritage and the legacy of the Islamic world was clearly demonstrated in this survey. There was a particularly high prevalence of the secular label, 63 percent, among native Israelis of European descent, compared to 33 percent among native Israelis of Asian origin, and 25 percent of native Israelis of North African origin. Among Moslem Palestinians living in Israel, 11 percent defined themselves as very religious; 49 percent as religious; 21 percent as not so religious; and only 18 percent as not religious at all.

A recent survey, done by Ephraim Yaar for the Shmuel Neeman Institute for Advanced Study in Science and Technology at the Technion - Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, found that 41 percent of secular Israelis believe in God (compared with 52 percent who do not). Sixteen percent of secular Jews believe in heaven and hell, and 23 percent agreed with the statement that “nature is spiritual or holy.”

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Did you read that above? 52 percent of secular Jewish Israelis don't believe in any God and 84% do not believe in heaven and hell.

63% of Ashkenazim Jews (the majority type of Jews in Israel) self describe themselves as secular.

And you think that the majority of Israelis are God fearing bible believing Conservatives?

The reality is Israeli Jews are almost identical to American Jews as reflected in their 63% approval of Obama and his administration at a time when Obama's polling numbers are at an all time low among Americans on non-jewish heritage.

The only reason Jews living in Israel are not so in love with Obama is because Obama might be a secret Muslim or Obama might not give them everything they want like Bush or McCain would have. (Even though Obama will give them everything they want, they still will curse him)

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #25 10.04.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

Did you read that above? 52 percent of secular Jewish Israelis don't believe in any God and 84% do not believe in heaven and hell.

63% of Ashkenazim Jews (the majority type of Jews in Israel) self describe themselves as secular.

And you think that the majority of Israelis are God fearing bible believing Conservatives?

The reality is Israeli Jews are almost identical to American Jews as reflected in their 63% approval of Obama and his administration at a time when Obama's polling numbers are at an all time low among Americans on non-jewish heritage.

The only reason Jews living in Israel are not so in love with Obama is because Obama might be a secret Muslim or Obama might not give them everything they want like Bush or McCain would have. (Even though Obama will give them everything they want, they still will curse him)

I didn't see anywhere in her post where she claimed Jews were "god fearing bible believing" anything.........either conservative OR liberal.

danc694u · **^ Top** #26 10.08.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

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And you think that the majority of Israelis are God fearing bible believing Conservatives? ...snipped....

Obama said it true. Is that good enough for you???

His exact words. Bible thumping, clinging to their guns....

And we BOTH know the Israelis LOVE their guns

TruckrsWife · **^ Top** #27 10.08.2009

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Originally Posted by roadkill439342

I didn't see anywhere in her post where she claimed Jews were "god fearing bible believing" anything.........either conservative OR liberal.

You know, I didn't see anywhere in my post where I said that either. Funny that, being that Jews don't use Bibles, they use the Torah. But then, I knew that.

I guess I should have qualified that I was referring to Hannity and Rush about the Bible.......my bad.

Jim Bob · **^ Top** #28 10.08.2009

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Originally Posted by TruckrsWife

You know, I didn't see anywhere in my post where I said that either. Funny that, being that Jews don't use Bibles, they use the Torah. But then, I knew that.

I guess I should have qualified that I was referring to Hannity and Rush about the Bible.......my bad.

The Torah is just old testament, is that not part of the bible?

Have you ever heard of the Talmud which is used by Jewish rabbis?

The Jewish rabbis have a whole discussion in the Talmud about Jesus Christ that I found quite interesting since so many Christians welcome Rabbis into their churches these days.

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Jesus and the Talmud

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...The most bizarre of all the Jesus stories is the one that tells how Jesus shares his place in the Netherworld with Titus and Balaam, the notorious archenemies of the Jewish people. Whereas Titus is punished for the destruction of the Temple by being burned to ashes, reassembled, and burned over and over again, and whereas Balaam is castigated by sitting in hot semen, Jesus’ fate consists of sitting forever in boiling excrement.

The first chapter (“Jesus’ Family”) deals with the first cornerstone of the New Testament Jesus narrative, his birth from the Virgin Mary. I will show that the rabbis drafted here, in just a few words, a powerful counternarrative that was meant to shake the foundations of the Christian message: for, according to them, Jesus was not born from a virgin, as his followers claimed, but out of wedlock, the son of a prostitute and her lover; therefore, he could not be the Messiah of Davidic descent, let alone the Son of God.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #29 10.08.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

The Torah is just old testament, is that not part of the bible?

Have you ever heard of the Talmud which is used by Jewish rabbis?

The Jewish rabbis have a whole discussion in the Talmud about Jesus Christ that I found quite interesting since so many Christians welcome Rabbis into their churches these days.

Neither the Torah NOR the Talmud are the "Bible".
Both were written long BEFORE the Bible which wasn't compiled until about the 13th Century AD.

goin2fast10 · **^ Top** #30 10.10.2009

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Originally Posted by im6under

here's a further attempt... he's the president... whine away...

nope... he's still the pres, thank god...

And you keep worshipping at the feet of a "controller" and complaining about "too much", though it isn't enough to satisfy YOUR opinion of fair, even though your own posts use situation and circumstantial evidence in an attempt to justify IRrational and ILlogical thought process, i.e. OPINION based on "emotion" as opposed to "logic" as a "foundation" for belief.

Simply amazing.

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