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Can't one be a liberal and against big government?
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Can't one be a liberal and against big government?
How's that possible?

Liberalism and governmental control are one in the same.....
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How's that possible?

Liberalism and governmental control are one in the same.....
No they are not. Liberalism is defined as a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

So, yes I am a liberal and no I am not for big government.
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No they are not. Liberalism is defined as a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

So, yes I am a liberal and no I am not for big government.
But that philosophy you just stated doesn't happen in "Real World Liberal Politics"....

Let's use CARB for an example.....

How many O/O's will have to shut down in 2014 because they can't justify spending $140K for a CARB compliant rig...and an additional $8-10K for an approved APU because you can't idle legally in California no matter if it's -30* or 120* in the shade?

CARB is not the brainchild of conservative policies.....


Not to mention that the darling businesses of the liberals...WBEs, DBE's, and HBE's are the only businesses that will receive grants or low interest loans to continue their operations in the state.....

Where's the "freedom of the individual" now?





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Quote: But that philosophy you just stated doesn't happen in "Real World Liberal Politics"

Who labeled it "Real World Liberal Politics"? The right wing.

Liberal is a label placed on anything that does not fit in the conservative point of view.

By it's very definition liberalism is a philosophy so how can a government agency be liberal?

CARB is not liberal, it is just stupid. I am an owner operator and I will do what most will do and I will not run CA. The freedom of the individual is in the choice to go to CA or not. If you are not a resident of CA you have no choice in what that state passes as law and if you want to enter that state you will have to abide by what the people of that state approve. If you are a resident of CA then you should be involved in your states politics and openly and aggressively oppose any legislation that does not fit in with your beliefs.
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Quote: But that philosophy you just stated doesn't happen in "Real World Liberal Politics"

Who labeled it "Real World Liberal Politics"? The right wing.

Liberal is a label placed on anything that does not fit in the conservative point of view.

By it's very definition liberalism is a philosophy so how can a government agency be liberal?

CARB is not liberal, it is just stupid. I am an owner operator and I will do what most will do and I will not run CA. The freedom of the individual is in the choice to go to CA or not. If you are not a resident of CA you have no choice in what that state passes as law and if you want to enter that state you will have to abide by what the people of that state approve. If you are a resident of CA then you should be involved in your states politics and openly and aggressively oppose any legislation that does not fit in with your beliefs.

So the O/O's who are IRPed in California be damned......

I have news for you......

Just like the anti-idling started in California and moved East....
CARB compliance will do so so as well......You think truck manufacturers are going to make a "California truck" and then a "49 state truck"?

I highly doubt it......

Every rule making person on CARB is a liberal.....
Every judge who ruled in favor of CARB is a liberal......

Liberals don't believe that O/O's are viable to our economy...not to mention the liberals also maintained that driving a truck is an "Unskilled" job.....in other words....driving a big rig is no different than flipping a burger or digging a ditch.......In the liberal definition....
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No, the O/Os who are IRPed in CA should be more involved in their government. If they don't like it, they should do something about it. If some regulation gets passed that causes me to have to alter my business plan I will do so or I will be out of business. That is the nature of the world.
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Many have been involved, but are out numbered by the liberal zealots. And so called conservatives as well. What they need and with all the criminal illegals probably won't get is a shut down. When the shelves are empty and the bellies are rumbling they might get the message. Don't see it happening though.
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I wonder...how can an O/O be a liberal?

Liberals are all for government intervention and interference in our lives.....

CARB Regs in Kommifornia, Anti-Idling everywhere else.....
The soon to come mandatory EOBR's in every truck...so on and so forth....

Increasing taxes on small businesses.....


Government hasn't done us any favors....... How can anyone who is an
O/O be a liberal?

Great question WCP
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No, the O/Os who are IRPed in CA should be more involved in their government. If they don't like it, they should do something about it. If some regulation gets passed that causes me to have to alter my business plan I will do so or I will be out of business. That is the nature of the world.
I belong to a trucking Association (CDTOA)......We have been fighting this since the beginning....The liberals who came up with the CARB agenda have an army of government lawyers funded by our taxes.....We have two lawyers...Do the math....
During the public hearings earlier this year...CARB wouldn't even let us speak......But the liberals brought in a bus load of kids who "suffered from the effects of diesel pollution" to speak to the director of CARB and her panel........

It's a liberal agenda my friend to take from those who built their businesses with sweat and perseverance and give it away to those who are "entitled" to it........
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