since the rant is liberal vs conservative maybe the terms should be defined. Used to be conservatives hated the united nations however "conservative" george bush didn't mind using the u.n as an excuse to go to iraq. only 1 example. Ted Kennedy's plan to legalize millions of illegals were thwarted by millions of irate phone calls from anti-illegal forces. Right after that here comes bush saying "wait, I thing we can make this thing work" and he almost did.

Don't sweat it man, there's going to be dozens of low income and minority/immigrant government programs for new carb compliant trucks.

Oh!,...Your an American O/O!
We have welfare for you!

Although I agree that CARB is in the wrong, I fail to see how they are trying to take away your business and give it to someone else. If CDTOA is not successful fighting CARB, maybe they need to take it up a level and go after your state politicians. If the majority of the people in CA like the politicians and they pass regulations you don't like, I'm sorry, but that is democracy at work.

If you see this coming in the future and think there is no way to avoid it, why not alter your business plan to accommodate the new changes?

Right.......I guess I will just go out to Rush Peterbilt and purchase a brand new 389 today with an APU.....after all, all of the banks are loaning money to Small businesses left and right......including the non-DBE businesses......

Do a little research on the history of CARB regs........

Back in 2004 CARB told us that we all could retro-fit a truck as long it had an ECM.......

2007 They told us that we had to re-power.......retro-fits were only good for 2004-2006

I talked to CARB over month ago and they told me I can still re-power my Pete but a new engine will run $25K or better.....What most of you do not know is a new engine requires a new tranny, new drive-line, new electrical harnesses, and by the time you are finished...You would be up to $75K....

After all of that you still cannot idle so you have to spend another $7-8K on an APU........Need a loan for all of that? "Sure.....can we see your DBE certification?....What...you are not DBE certified...You are an OTR trucking business?.....Sorry...you are on your own.......Next....."


Sure I will change my business plan......from being an O/O to a company driver for a DBE certified company...how is that for "CHANGE"?

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Your take home net will remain pretty much the same- just like mine has since I sold out.

Of course you know that with a large enough down payment you can get financing at a decent rate. What? You haven't saved any money for a big down? In how many years?

If you are not earning a really good rate of return on your investment, I think that you may be just "playing trucks". Sure, it's a big ego trip ownin' your own big rig and all; but shoot, at the end of the day how much mature business sense does it really make?

Sorry to seem so snippy this morning but I just finished a thirteen hour shift delivering milk- but I'll betcha I earned more dough (the put and keep in my pocket kind) than most owner operators earn in fourteen...
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If you can't change your business plan to account for changes in the business environment I have no sympathy for you. Smart business people will survive and those who are just "playing trucks" will sink. Isn't capitalism great?

A new engine does not require a new tranny and drive lines, only a new wiring harness.

Uh Rex......now you do know that in order for a business to grow...you leverage........

Seriously....most of the O/O's in Cali were caught with their pants down......

CARB states that the useful life of trucks and equipment is 10 years.....

So let's say you bought a truck before CARB bull sheyat started...
You figured you run that rig for 25 years if it was a vocational rig or at least 15-20 for an OTR.....In-frame them until that costs is no longer justifiable....

And it's more than trucks.....
Say you bought a Case 590M for $180K when they came out......
You have to replace it in 10 years......
Hell, I have seen the old Case 350 hoes still working let alone "B" models....


BTW Truckers complain that the price of a DPF is steep...DPF's for a scrapper or dozer run over a $100K.........But contractors have lots of $$$$$$$$...well according to liberals they do......

Friggin' CARB and Cali's liberal legislature think that every biz in Cali or operates in Cali are DBE's........

The real world facts are that so few of us are and the one's that are DBE were put on that pedestal to "Level the playing field"......

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Really......

Tell me Mr. expert replacing a Series 60 with a DD15 is "Plug and Play"?

You obviously have never looked or talked to a shop about it.....

I have asked my shop and several other mechs including a mech for a construction company I worked for....he's been a mech for over 30 years....So they're all wrong and you are right......

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Speaking of DBE's

When I still ran dumps and the biz was dying a slow death...
I was on a Dump truck board talking about the inequalities with DBE's versus non-DBE's..
This one O/O was calling me a racist ect........that she was getting work because she is a much better operator than the rest of us.....

Funny...she went from a one truck operation to a whole fleet in the space of 18 months and....she now runs drayage out of the harbor and brokers too.......

Well....I went on to her website and checked out her credentials.....

Interesting....She's listed as A DBE,WBE, Veteran owned biz certified....
A quick scan of her customer base was.......wait........."Government Contracts"......

Hmmmmmm.....so by becoming a "certified" biz.....makes her a better business operator than those of us who can't qualify for this type of business welfare......

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Ok, explain to me why you would have to replace the tranny and driveline? If there is no torque or horsepower change it should be fine.

And you stated a new engine was $25k. Ok I can buy that but that still leaves $50k of your original $75k quote for a tranny, wiring harness and driveline. With math like that it is no wonder your business can't keep up.