What about labor costs to pull the old engine and drop the new one in?

Or you didn't think of that........

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You are looking at $25k for the engine and 40 hours to install. So you are stilll under $30k.

I for one quit running to Cali-damn-fornia 8 years ago. Don't miss it-Ain't goin back. Several O/O and small companies in my area have quit running there due to the CARB. In this economy nobody here is going to spend the $ to upgrade to meet their regs. It's really that plain and simple. Had a shipper call me a few days ago and ask if I would take a load to Fresno. Told them I had sold the truck & trailer and retired. She point blank ask me if I knew of anyone they could call to haul the load. Ask her why. She said they had lost several O/O's and small fleets because of the CARB regs. You can defend this all you want to and try to tell people they should continue to go BUT you can't make'em. No one that I know of in my area is running out there anymore on a regular basis like they used to and most are staying away. Far as I'm concerned they couldn't pay me enough to go and I mean that. Like I said I quit going 8 years ago and don't figure I missed out on anything. I changed my plates from 48 states to 26 states and stayed busier than I wanted to. The company that bought my truck and trailer used to go to California weekly. Not anymore. In fact I talked to the owner the other day and they are only going to Nogales and Yuma as of Sep 1. Said he wasn't setting foot in California and his trucks weren't either. Have a feeling there's a lot of people with that attitude.

Ok....Let me pm my shop's ph# to you..... your expert opinion obviously is more advanced than my shop's.....

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That sir, is a perfect example of making a choice and living with it. I for one prefer not to run CA either. There are only a couple of instances when I will go.

I am not defending CARB nor will I ever do so. I will however defend the People of CA's right to regulate and change whatever they want.

I get really tired of the right screaming liberal every time something does not go their way. They want majority rule but only when they are the majority.

Uh......
I belong to the majority of Californians according to the last census......


The majority in CA would like the libs to just pizz off......

I have no problem in complying with their dumb-a z z ed rules and regs....but let's make it fair...

How about ensuring that the NAFTA trucks are compliant.....

Oh what was that...requiring trucks from Mexico to be 2007 or newer on Jan 1, 2014 is "racist"......

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I agree with you on making all NAFTA trucks adhere to the same regs we have to. Like I said before, I do not agree with CARB. My big issue is that when I say I'm a liberal, most people want to get out their pitchforks and torches. Stupid legislation is stupid legislation no matter what side it comes from.

Sorry to take so long to respond to your post (it was not out of disrespect) but as you probably deduced I went to bed for the day.

So let's address your post one topic at a time...
CARB is right in one respect- the useful life for a piece of small equipment (tractors, trailers, backhoes, loaders, etc.) really IS about ten years; or as the 'ol adage goes, ya make payments one way or the other- either to the finance company or the repair shop. Or, as my friend and mentor in the excavating business Jim always says-"If you're gonna run old stuff then you better own a lot of it". Of course another all important consideration is your tax situation; I think that in most cases it makes little sense to hang on to equipment much after the point in time when it has been fully depreciated.

The Case 590M? My friend Dave, a salesman at the Cat dealership here in town tells me that he could let you have two (2) new 430E Cat machines- full house loaded- for just about 180 grand.
Yep, you'll still see some 'ol 580ck hoes in occasional use but the name of this game is production- if you tried to use an old relic such as this for example production utility lateral installation, the poor thing would spend most of it's time parked over a big puddle of fluid, waiting for parts.

Your truck? Like I said before, you're gonna make payments one way or the other so why not ride and work in something that is comfortable, quiet, and gets better fuel mileage to boot? I realize that some guys just like to work on old trucks, but why take the chance of having to employ an out of town shop to change out- for instance- on of the rears when it shells out while you're on the road? Oh, did I mention paying for the repair outta your own pocket because the thing's been out of warranty for years?

A caveat- You're gonna pay a premium of 'bout nine grand for one of these new compliant engines though...

We can discuss this in greater depth later my friend (I'm off tonight).
rx

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I agree Rex......about the depreciation part......

I used to work for a contractor whose father and two uncles started their business back in 1935, Doty Bros. Equipment.
The owner Floyd, would only purchase used equipment with cash....just like Pierce Doty, Floyd's father, did when he ran the company.
Those were different times I suppose......But that business practice influenced me to a point in how I operate......

I just have a hard time justifying what some O/O's do and buy a new truck when one's paid-off or just continue to lease rigs......

Perhaps someone can convince me that's better than buying and holding on rig for ten or fifteen years......

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I'm with you Ron. But I am also a maintenance freak. I started using synthetic oil in the early 80's and have never looked back. Still talk to guys who use 30w in their cars and machinery year round. My neighbor is a great guy. Chartered Financial Analyst. Incredibly smart investor. Totally clueless about machinery. Has a Kubota diesel tractor. When I moved here in 95 he came over and we got to be good friends. Had had this thing for 4 years and never changed oil. Got him on maintenance program. Caught him with a jug of 30wt the other day. Asked him WTH are you doing. Don't you remember me taking you to dealer ship and them telling you that EVERYTHING they sell from Kubota/Massey/ others has come with multi grade for over 15 years. Showed him jug of Rotella Synthetic sitting there. But my Dad and Grandad always used 30wt. Could have shot him. There is no excuse for the Gov making every thing in society throw away when it still has much life left in it. You will know better than any beurocrat when it is time for you to invest in new equipment.

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