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rex · **^ Top** #**221** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by LooneyTune

Rex you were told numerous times what was in the towers besides all the jet fuel that would cause it to burn so hot. Yet you keep asking that question over and over and over.
How much more disrespect do you want to show to the victims of 9/11 and their families? I imagine you will till your dying day.

My point all along has been that I believe that NOTHING (including jet fuel) was in those towers which contained sufficient BTUs to burn hot enough and long enough to weaken all forty seven of the main support columns in the central cores of the buildings enough to cause them all to fail at the same time. TWICE!

Neither you or anyone else has made any reasonable case for common ordinary office contents to burn with such ferocious temperatures; including the poster who was kind enough to post the thesis about the difference between heat and temperature.

So now we become frustrated by our lack of a convincing argument supporting the fallacy of two aircraft alone demolishing the towers so we trot out the 'ol disrespect-to-the-families game, and hope no one has noticed how many of the families of the victims of this crime have been agitating for a re-opened investigation.

Oh, puhleeese...
rx

Jim Bob · **^ Top** #**222** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by roadkill439342

So, let me ask you this, Mr "I believe the Goverment did it"......

Those firefighters in the pics, what "floor" were they standing on?

Answer the question REAL carefully, now.

I never said that I believe "The Government" did it.

You don't seem to understand there are different factions inside of the government. There isn't one big "The Government" like you would have yourself believe.

Did it not seem strange to anyone at the time that the families of people who were hurt or killed during the event were payed off very quickly with millions of dollars at a time when paying out billions was not common? That didn't strike anyone as odd in any way? Sort of like "hush money"?

Did it not seem strange to anyone that the whole site was relatively quickly cleaned up and disposed of, in a country that shuts down a whole busy L.A. main artery freeway for hours or days if a cop gets hurt, just so they can document the evidence piece by piece?

rex · **^ Top** #**223** 10.22.2009

Many people are under the impression that the heads of federal government actually control everything done by the federal government.

I think that a relevant question to ask would be "who actually owns and controls the federal government at this time?"
rx

Mooney · **^ Top** #**224** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by rex

My point all along has been that I believe that NOTHING (including jet fuel) was in those towers which contained sufficient BTUs to burn hot enough and long enough to weaken all forty seven of the main support columns in the central cores of the buildings enough to cause them all to fail at the same time. TWICE!

Carpet gives off 10,000 btu's a pound, coal gives off 12,000 btu's a pound.
Carpet weighs about 4 pounds a square yard.
Each floor was covered with carpet.
Each floor was approximately 1 acre.
1 acre is 4840 square yards.
18800 pounds of carpet per acre.
18800 pounds times 10,000 btu's 187,000,000 btu's per acre of carpet

Approximately.

And that is just the carpet, then there are the cubicle dividers, computers, paper, etc., etc.

Jet fuel has 135,000 btu's per gallon.

Sensing where I'm going here?

Jim Bob · **^ Top** #**225** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by Mooney

Carpet gives off 10,000 btu's a pound, coal gives off 12,000 btu's a pound.
Carpet weighs about 4 pounds a square yard.
Each floor was covered with carpet.
Each floor was approximately 1 acre.
1 acre is 4840 square yards.
18800 pounds of carpet per acre.
18800 pounds times 10,000 btu's 187,000,000 btu's per acre of carpet

Approximately.

And that is just the carpet, then there are the cubicle dividers, computers, paper, etc., etc.

Jet fuel has 135,000 btu's per gallon.

Sensing where I'm going here?

That accounts for the upper 1/3rd of the building. But what heated up and weakened the lower 1/3rd of the building, including the basement?

I could easily see the top collapse to the ground, leaving only 1/3rd of the building standing.

What would cause the bottom 10 stories to collapse, when they have been holding up 90 or so stories for the last 30+ years, up to 9-11-2001.

Mooney · **^ Top** #**226** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

That accounts for the upper 1/3rd of the building. But what heated up and weakened the lower 1/3rd of the building, including the basement?

I could easily see the top collapse to the ground, leaving only 1/3rd of the building standing.

What would cause the bottom 10 stories to collapse, when they have been holding up 90 or so stories for the last 30+ years, up to 9-11-2001.

So the top is supposed to bounce off the bottom? bounce where?

What would cause the bottom 10 floors to collapse? that's easy, the top 90 or so floors.

LooneyTune · **^ Top** #**227** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by rex

My point all along has been that I believe that NOTHING (including jet fuel) was in those towers which contained sufficient BTUs to burn hot enough and long enough to weaken all forty seven of the main support columns in the central cores of the buildings enough to cause them all to fail at the same time. TWICE!

Neither you or anyone else has made any reasonable case for common ordinary office contents to burn with such ferocious temperatures; including the poster who was kind enough to post the thesis about the difference between heat and temperature.

So now we become frustrated by our lack of a convincing argument supporting the fallacy of two aircraft alone demolishing the towers so we trot out the 'ol disrespect-to-the-families game, and hope no one has noticed how many of the families of the victims of this crime have been agitating for a re-opened investigation.

Oh, puhleeese...
rx

Oh yes Rex I'm just playing one big game here...give me a break. My point is we keep posting the answer and you keep asking the same question over and over. So why not enlighten us and tell us what really happened and don't give me that we need an independent investigation stuff either. You're the one that believes it was something other than commercial airliners slamming into the twin towers(which such force that they actually caused the towers to sway I might add) so why not tell us all what you feel happened. Waiting...

rex · **^ Top** #**228** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by Mooney

gives off , gives off

Nothing "gives off" BTUs. Scientific analysis rarely describes events by utilizing slang.
Bedside that I am also going to dispute your claim of the BTU content of carpet, since you don't know whether this particular carpet was rubber backed, tack-and-pad (doubtful), and what the fiber content of the said carpet was (jute, synthetic, whatever).
Did you know that office cubicle dividers and furniture used in commercial applications (for instance) are always manufactured from fire resistant material and carry the Underwriter's Laboratories seal attesting to such?

Do ya suppose there were just stacks of old newspapers in all the offices just waiting to explode into a conflagration?

Nice try here Ronno, but I think you're just blowin' smoke. (bad pun intended)
rx

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #**229** 10.22.2009

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Originally Posted by Jim Bob

I never said that I believe "The Government" did it.

You don't seem to understand there are different factions inside of the government. There isn't one big "The Government" like you would have yourself believe.

Did it not seem strange to anyone at the time that the families of people who were hurt or killed during the event were payed off very quickly with millions of dollars at a time when paying out billions was not common? That didn't strike anyone as odd in any way? Sort of like "hush money"?

Did it not seem strange to anyone that the whole site was relatively quickly cleaned up and disposed of, in a country that shuts down a whole busy L.A. main artery freeway for hours or days if a cop gets hurt, just so they can document the evidence piece by piece?

Uh.....being that America is the most litigious society (thanks to the liberal pushed entitlement mentality....."I stubbed my toe on my nieghbor's sidewalk.....he's owes me a living".....) Don't you think that it would be cheaper to settle? I mean.....it's your tax money too...is it not?

"Paying-off" or giving "Hush money" doesn't guarantee you wouldn't eventually meet the long arm of the law.....Just ask Roman Polanski......Just ask the the Catholic church.......

Big Duker · **^ Top** #**230** 10.22.2009

Everything burns. Just get it hot enough. How many cases of copy paper you think were in there? How many miles of cable that shorted out causing additional fires? How many bodies of us obese Americans burning. There was huge restaurant. can you say gas lines? Fire resistant and fire proof are worlds apart. More attention is paid to dangerous fumes emitted than to whether or not something will burn. Fire fighters have all sorts of requirements for off gassing of things that are on fire. Good approved duct tape costs about $12. a roll and up. Have to use it on permitted jobs. Not that $1.75 stuff at Home Depot. Get over it. All your snippets have been debunked a thousand times. You've been watching too many Fat Boy Moore movies.

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