"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

-President Thomas Jefferson




"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action
according to our will
within limits drawn around us
by the equal rights of others.

I do not add
'within the limits of the law'
because law is often but the tyrant's will,
and always so
when it violates the rights of the individual."

-President Thomas Jefferson

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I have disagreements with the government of course. Yeah I can GRASP that concept. Again why is it when someone doesn't agree with someone else's point of view we have to resort to referring to them as possibly dumb?

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I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be offered to abolish this lamentable evil. Everything we do is to improve it, if it happens in our day; if not, let us transmit to our descendants, together with our slaves, a pity for their unhappy lot and an abhorrence of slavery.



Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.

James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791

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No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

Interesting. I actually agree with Rex. Oh not with his snide insult towards Looneytunes but with his comment about respecting the country but not the government.

However, I see the problem with debate on this topic often occurs over the use of the word "government". To some they see the word "government" and think of our form of government. Others view and use the term meaning the current admin or current congress. (There are other variables in the usage. Perhaps if we all were a bit plainer or specific in our wording we might understand each other better.

Just a thought.


I love our form of government. I do not care for the way most of our elected and appointed officials have prostituted our government and our nation. I certainly mean the current administration but I also mean many of the elected and appointed officials whom have been in office much longer than Obama.


*scratches my head* sheeeesh who'd have thought I'd ever agree with rex ever again?

Questioning the Government is fine.

Using insane arguments to do so is not.

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"When things look bad, and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb mad dog mean. Cause if you lose your head and you give up, then you neither live nor win, that's just the way it is." --the Outlaw Josey Wales

Last time we are asking, folks....either keep the discussion respectful and civil, or it's time for us to take more drastic measures....to include closing the thread, infractions, and vacations.

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rx,

That my friend is the very TRUE definition of being a patriot. Those people with the "Follow any order the president gives me even if it's unconstitutional, or flat out morally WRONG" will end up working for the new hitler.

I agree MT. That's why I try to refrain from insults or lashing out at people.I ain't perfect though and on occasion slip up as we all do from time to time. Sometimes I wonder if some on here intentionally start with the insults to get a thread closed down cause they know they're not winning the argument.

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The easiest way to stump a politician in Washington.... get rid of his teleprompter

Uh, that is already on the books of the UCMJ.

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Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them.-Albert Einstein

"When things look bad, and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb mad dog mean. Cause if you lose your head and you give up, then you neither live nor win, that's just the way it is." --the Outlaw Josey Wales

What is on the books?