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noble one · **^ Top** #21 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by roadkill439342

Your "point" again??

As the Muslim percentage of a population increases, so does it's propensity to extremism and violence. This increase in violence is not restricted to just "Muslim vs non-Muslim", but Muslim vs Muslim as well.
This is easily demonstrated by observing Countries with small and large Muslim populations, Countries with large Muslim populations are far more dangerous than those with small Muslim populations, and it doesn't matter if you are Muslim; or not. (Some Muslims aren't "Muslim" enough) Muslims kill far more Muslims than they do "Christians", even in countries where there is no "infidel" presence.

Multi-Cultural-ism is the BANE of the US. It is what will DESTROY the US.
Traditionally, immigrants assimilated into US Culture. NOT SO with Muslims.
It is their STATED purpose to conquer the entire world and have Sharia Law world-wide.
They REFUSE to assimilate.
They DEMAND That WE make concessions for THEIR Religion.
They SUE our Cities (Counties, States, and Federal Government) to have "their" beliefs accepted, for example: The City of Minneapolis MN had a law on the books that FORBADE Cab Drivers from discriminating against blind members of Society who used a "seeing-eye dog". They SUED, claiming this LAW discriminated against THEM.
They SUED Albertsons Grocery because THEY claimed that their religion FORBADE members to touch ANY pork product, (even if it were wrapped in plastic),
They SUED to force Minneapolis Airport to install "foot-washing" rooms and places where "they" could pray and SUED to remove ALL "Christian" emblems from Hospital Chapels........
There is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim.

Thats about as true as "There is no such thing as a "Moderate American." I have lots if Muslim neighbours and they are as laid back as the rest of us Canuks. They are happy they live in a land of freedom and tolerance. They hate Islamic extremism and want nothing to do with it.

Eight433 · **^ Top** #22 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by roadkill439342

Here is where you are wrong.

First of all,
neither Ed Gein, John Gacy, Robert Lee Yates nor Catholic church pedophiles were representing Christianity in any way, and their actions were those of people with mental illness.
And those "radical Christians that pipe bomb planed parenthood buildings"? Their actions didn't represent those of main stream Christians and have been thoroughly excoriated by those same "Main Stream Christians".
NOT SO with Muslims, who have remained SILENT when their adherents commit mass-murder.

another good point to which I have no rebuttal. I cannot say I support the Islamic faith as a whole, I just believe they deserve the same respect and innocence until proven guilty standards that we all should enjoy here in America. However, I am only speaking about those of us IN America. They are all a little nutty in Iraq and Iran.

For the record, I myself said that all of the serial killers mentioned were crazy and as individuals, anomaly's. However, if they were unfairly lumped into a single group (like the Muslims) they would probably be looked at unfavorably, no?

rubbergearsnextyear · **^ Top** #23 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Eight433

If you actually believe this, then you need to open your eyes and take a look around you. My first post demonstrated there are many deeply religious christian people that kill in the eyes of God, or believing that they were serving him in some way. They are not put in the media because they do not draw the attention like the suicide bombers do. Not to mention we do not lump every white bread american killer into the same group and put a label on them. Oklahoma city bombing, for instance. If ole Timmy was wearing a pope hat, would the outcome have been any different? No. He was crazy. Suicide bombers are crazy too, and not necessarily because he is wearing a turban.

God has never told us to murder anyone in the scriptures. Now, killing to protect your family, nation etc. is well within the law. There is a huge difference between killing and murder.

Tim was not a Christian period. A Christian wouldn't murder innocent people.

Texas-Nana · **^ Top** #24 3 Weeks Ago

Live by the sword......die by the sword.

It sounds as if he got exactly what he yearned for.......a shoot out with the feds resulting in his death so that now he is a true "hero" of his distortion of his faith.

And yes I do believe Obama is to blame for the worsening of such incidents in this nation. If someone else thinks I should shut up my "whining" and simply accept things........perhaps they haven't read the Constitution nor the rules of the political forum.

Just my own little opinions.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #25 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Eight433

another good point to which I have no rebuttal. I cannot say I support the Islamic faith as a whole, I just believe they deserve the same respect and innocence until proven guilty standards that we all should enjoy here in America. However, I am only speaking about those of us IN America. They are all a little nutty in Iraq and Iran.

For the record, I myself said that all of the serial killers mentioned were crazy and as individuals, anomaly's. However, if they were unfairly lumped into a single group (like the Muslims) they would probably be looked at unfavorably, no?

Perhaps, I should have been just a little more clear in my response, and that being even though Muslims may act alone and appear "crazed", They STILL do it "for" their religion, because THEIR religion exhorts them to kill as many non-believers as possible, AND they will go to Heaven if they die while doing "it". THAT is in their "Koran".
The same cannot be said about Christian Religion, because Christianity went thru a 'REFORMATION' over 800 years ago.

Eight433 · **^ Top** #26 3 Weeks Ago

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Tim was not a Christian period. A Christian wouldn't murder innocent people.

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Not Christian, huh? I agree with the first part of your post, but the second part is completely false.

Now before I get jumped on, the article goes on to say he was agnostic and was quoted saying "science is my religion". Obviously, the dude was off kilter. But he was still raised a Christian.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #27 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by noble one

Thats about as true as "There is no such thing as a "Moderate American." I have lots if Muslim neighbours and they are as laid back as the rest of us Canuks. They are happy they live in a land of freedom and tolerance. They hate Islamic extremism and want nothing to do with it.

And yet, do your "Muslim" friends get on TV or RADIO and excoriate the extremists whenever there is a bombing of innocents?
Nope, they DON'T do that.......for whatever reason.
They only talk in whispers..........
Christians "do that" whenever one of their adherents acts up, they "shout-it" from the rooftops (figuratively speaking).

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #28 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Eight433

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Not Christian, huh? I agree with the first part of your post, but the second part is completely false.

Now before I get jumped on, the article goes on to say he was agnostic and was quoted saying "science is my religion". Obviously, the dude was off kilter. But he was still raised a Christian.

YET........and here AGAIN is the difference; McVeigh didn't act out of his RELIGIOUS beliefs.

rubbergearsnextyear · **^ Top** #29 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Eight433

McVeigh was born into an [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. family in [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. , [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.
After his parents' divorce, McVeigh lived with his father; his sisters moved to [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. with their mother. He and his father were [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. who often attended daily [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. . In a recorded interview with [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. magazine[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."

Not Christian, huh? I agree with the first part of your post, but the second part is completely false.

Now before I get jumped on, the article goes on to say he was agnostic and was quoted saying "science is my religion". Obviously, the dude was off kilter. But he was still raised a Christian.

I stand by my statement . A CHRISTIAN WOULDN'T DO THAT! What part of that do you not understand? If someone does something like that regardless of what they say they are, they are certainly not a CHRISTIAN.

Eight433 · **^ Top** #30 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by roadkill439342

YET........and here AGAIN is the difference; McVeigh didn't act out of his RELIGIOUS beliefs.

True again. Seems I have argued myself into a corner with this example

Its been great talking with you guys, but I gotta get off to work. I'll check up on this later.

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Originally Posted by rubbergearsnextyear

I stand by my statement idiot.

OH look! Here comes the childish name callers I mentioned! Never to disappoint, huh?

The only thing I meant by that, is that they probably WOULD have been called Christians if that is what the Media chose to focus on. But since roughly 78.4% of Americans call themselves Christians, they do not want to alienate their viewers. However, right now it is accepted to bash on Muslims, much the same as it was to bash the Japanese after WWII. But we do not go around calling them all dirty Japs now, because it is not PC anymore. Soon enough, this will pass and we will be on to hating the next religious agenda. How many of you can HONESTLY say you felt so strongly about the Islamic faith 10 years ago or so?

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