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Politics Do Not Pass/Pass With Care. Today's truckers are far more educated and cognizant of the issues regarding politics due to the sharp increase in talk radio, and various trucking news media sources. Talk politics. Do truckers like politicians?

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Lest We've Forgotten, Health Care Is Not a Right

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The advocates of socialized medicine have insisted for decades that health care is a right. They now feel emboldened enough to proffer the absurdity that health insurance is a right, and they do not bother to make a distinction between the two. "Health care is a right, not a privilege," proclaims Sen. Bernie Sanders in a Huffington Post op-ed calling for the nationalization of medicine. Medicine has become "a business" instead of a higher calling of selfless service, President Obama ruefully tells the American Medical Association.
A right is a political principle defining and sanctioning freedom of action in a social context. It imposes a negative obligation-the obligation to refrain from violating the rights of others-not a positive entitlement. Since government produces nothing, for the government to provide goods and services to some, it must first take them by force from others, which is a violation of their rights.
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A privilege connotes a benefit conferred upon individuals or classes by virtue of some factor such as birth or social position, as opposed to merit. The criterion by which people receive medical care is payment. Medicine can only exist because its suppliers earn profits that justify their initial substantial investments of money, energy, and time. That makes medicine a business, whether anyone finds this distasteful or not.
Patients must pay for their medical care somehow. Money is obtained through effort; people receive money in exchange for productive work. Sen. Sanders' objection, then, is to people obtaining medical care because they have earned it. By advocating the redistribution of medical resources, he is seeking to elevate the needy to a privileged class. For health care to be a "right," it must be a privilege.
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Thanks Mooney. I agree.
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I am a United States tax paying citizen. I expect my government to protect me by providing for the common defense.

This will include that all citizens have at least minimum access to services that ensure they are not disease ridden and spreading communicable disease to me and my family.

Cholara is not a major issue in the rich district but is known to breed in the impoverished districts and spread to the more afluent thereby jeopardizing all of society.

Granted; first in-line, private rooms, world reknowned physicians and top of the line advanced technology may be the realm of the rich... but this being so does not preclude the poor from basic necsesities for the good of all nor does it absolve the more fortunate from a societal obligation to care for the less fortunate.

Its still the "USA" and not the "USA less the impoverished"
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I am a United States tax paying citizen. I expect my government to protect me by providing for the common defense.

This will include that all citizens have at least minimum access to services that ensure they are not disease ridden and spreading communicable disease to me and my family.

Cholara is not a major issue in the rich district but is known to breed in the impoverished districts and spread to the more afluent thereby jeopardizing all of society.

Granted; first in-line, private rooms, world reknowned physicians and top of the line advanced technology may be the realm of the rich... but this being so does not preclude the poor from basic necsesities for the good of all nor does it absolve the more fortunate from a societal obligation to care for the less fortunate.

Its still the "USA" and not the "USA less the impoverished"
Though your argument is very clever, I don't think it will lead to the results you desire. gandhi
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I am a United States tax paying citizen. I expect my government to protect me by providing for the common defense.
They have, that's why you still speak English, and not German or Japanese.
Do your kids pay taxes?

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This will include that all citizens have at least minimum access to services that ensure they are not disease ridden and spreading communicable disease to me and my family.
So, above you say, as a "tax paying citizen", now you say "all citizens". And having health care insurance is no guarantee of not acquiring a disease.

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Cholara is not a major issue in the rich district but is known to breed in the impoverished districts and spread to the more afluent thereby jeopardizing all of society.
Cholera? Seriously?

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Granted; first in-line, private rooms, world reknowned physicians and top of the line advanced technology may be the realm of the rich... but this being so does not preclude the poor from basic necsesities for the good of all nor does it absolve the more fortunate from a societal obligation to care for the less fortunate.
Why not? Where is it written that you are "owed" health care?

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Its still the "USA" and not the "USA less the impoverished"
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Nothing about health care.
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They have, that's why you still speak English, and not German or Japanese.
Do your kids pay taxes?



So, above you say, as a "tax paying citizen", now you say "all citizens". And having health care insurance is no guarantee of not acquiring a disease.



Cholera? Seriously?



Why not? Where is it written that you are "owed" health care?



Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Nothing about health care.
nothing about roads, salt and snow plows either... : )
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Though your argument is very clever, I don't think it will lead to the results you desire. gandhi
I know we don't agree... or not often... and yet I keep finding myself laughing and looking forward to your posts...

go figure... lol
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nothing about roads, salt and snow plows either... : )
That's done by states.

Sorry, you lose.
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I'll come right out and say it: In a modern utopian society proper health care SHOULD be considered a right for all citizens.

The concept of medicine for profit is one which belongs in the dark ages.
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I am a United States tax paying citizen. I expect my government to protect me by providing for the common defense.

This will include that all citizens have at least minimum access to services that ensure they are not disease ridden and spreading communicable disease to me and my family.

Cholara is not a major issue in the rich district but is known to breed in the impoverished districts and spread to the more afluent thereby jeopardizing all of society.

Granted; first in-line, private rooms, world reknowned physicians and top of the line advanced technology may be the realm of the rich... but this being so does not preclude the poor from basic necsesities for the good of all nor does it absolve the more fortunate from a societal obligation to care for the less fortunate.

Its still the "USA" and not the "USA less the impoverished"
I don't mind if the gooberment takes an active role in disease prevention, but I don't think the rest of us should have to help pay for your appendectomy. That's not a public threat..
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