Leasing at Prime

Discussion in 'Prime' started by ironpony, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. DrFlush

    DrFlush Road Train Member

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    How are you dispatched? With that I mean do you have pick up and delivery windows or the actual appointment times, or are you given the times that the company thinks you should be there for P/U and Delivery? Thanks.
     
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  3. Scorcher21

    Scorcher21 Light Load Member

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    Thank you for the information IP. It will definitely help me make my decision here in a few months. One thing I noticed is that say you run mostly North east. Are you considered regional with them, is it that they know you like to be up in that area, or do you actually have a choice of whatever loads are available in the area? I live in the south, spent most of my life in the north east, and would rather go there sparingly. I'd prefer to stay south / southwest. I know freight isn't as plentiful in those regions, but it's just me, no wife or kids and minimal home expenses. I'm not looking to make a extravagant amount of money, but am interested in the business side of this job. Thank you again for the info.
     
  4. ipogsd

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    Sorry if this has been asked already. What is their pet policy if your L/O? Pound limit?
     
  5. ironpony

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    It depends on the customer. Drop n' hooks normally have a window, and absolutely being on-time is not necessarily required although you do need to inform your FM about that. Live loads/unloads are generally by appointment, but again, this depends on the the shipper. You are required to be on-site (with a GPS tag) at the appointment time. One of our large customers requires you to be at checked in at the transportation office NLT 10 minutes after the appointment time - that usually means with the trailer dropped in a door assigned by the security shack. With packing plants we have a window, but you must be checked-in, and visit the shipping office at the "Drop Dead Time." We try to include information concerning first-come, first-served operations, places that begin unloading at certain times in the load notes, and location direction files... it always helps to take advantage of that. Normally sales makes the appointments, but we also get our FMs in on the act as well.

    I went to a place yesterday that was previously a FCFS location, but changed to by appointment only. Arrived 3 hours early, and got a door before I could manage to scare up some lunch. It just depends...

    That being said, if you're EARLY (late doesn't count) they won't mind you making an alternative arrangement with a receiver if you can squeeze your way in or make a new appointment time. You'd better be on time for it though! As you might have noticed, on-time service is not optional at Prime. It's one of the selling points we have with our customers.

    We are dispatched on a first come, first served basis - with exceptions when a team is required, hazmat endorsement, hi-val qualification, etc.

    Whatever you want to stuff in your truck is your business. You're responsible for the damages and clean-up. There is a clause in the contract that the vehicle must be returned to its original condition, minus normal and ordinary wear and tear - on your dime. If your dog eats the seat, you're buying a seat. They do want to know if there is an animal on the truck, since we do have shippers/receivers who allow no animals on the property. If your dog pops his head through the window at one of these places, you won't be allowed in, and you'll register a service failure.
     
    ipogsd Thanks this.
  6. Vwal528

    Vwal528 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for all the great info...One more question for ya
    As a lease operator, what can one expect as far as home time? Do you still have to follow Primes home time policy? I know it partially depends on how much money you want to make, but one of the things that intrigues me about a lease is making my own decisions about days I might want to be home. Say you wanted to get home for a family occasion or something, Do you usually have enough flexibility to get home for it? I'm not against staying out 3-5 weeks at a time, but being able to get home when I want/need to is important. Thanks again for taking the time to answer all these questions.
     
  7. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    As an independent contractor, you can order your comings and goings as you please. The "hometime policy" only applies to company drivers. If there is freight to get you there, you can make some money on the way. If you decide you've had enough, you can bobtail home... but the fuel is on your tab. Heck, you can find a secured lot, park the truck, and fly home if you need to. The only caveat is that you need to make enough money to pay the bills... the truck's bills and of course yours.

    I usually run during the week, with an arrival over the weekend. That way there is some money in the kitty to cover my costs. While the settlements may not have much left for me, my bills are covered. The freight they find for you to get you there may not be the most lucrative, after all the goal has changed from maximizing money to getting you home.
     
  8. otr48

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    IP is it better financially for an o/o to to be dispatched out of springfield instead of pittston ? and would asking to stay in the north east also be better for shorter runs? any idea how much a o/o who is training averages a year for himself ?
     
  9. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    I don't think it matters "where" you're dispatched out of, as much as who your FM is. The majority of the FMs are really good at what they do, and establishing a good business relationship with him or her is paramount. There are plenty of short runs available throughout the eastern portion of the country - it works more as a shuttle running from somewhere east of the Rockies back to the eastern portion of the country, grab a few loads around there, then head back to the "meat patch."

    I really can't answer about what training does to your net revenue, since I don't train. It does put you in the mix for team freight at some point, having a second (rather inexperienced) driver on board.
     
  10. silenteagle

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    I didn't get to post a quote about training and income, but I will do a little splainin here....

    First, take a look at a typical team truck and it's revenue. At 5000 miles and $0.40 per mile the truck will make about $2000 for the truck, split would be $1000 for each driver before taxes. This is the typical scenario for a team company truck.

    Now lets take a look at the lease operators truck, solo: With a gross revenue of $3500 for the week running about 2000 miles you would net between $750 and $950 depending on your MPG efficiency. This is a good average for a lease truck (IP chime in here) and with a goal of $4000 gross per week you can clear $1200 easy. (I am lowballing these numbers so we don't get any pie in the sky thinking here) Lower the miles that you run with the same gross income and you get more net revenue, mainly because you are using less fuel. Get a newer trailer, or a load that runs 10 var at 35 degrees and your net revenue climbs a little more. Each factor will adjust your net revenue either positive or negative. Get an ice cream load on a 100 degree day and you could be spending $60+ per day on reefer fuel (or more)

    So, we have a good snapshot of the team company truck and typical lease solo truck. Now lets climb into our lease truck with a codriver/trainee: Now you can run 5000 miles plus per week (not that you want to) and have a gross income of $6500-$9000. Now lets break down the net. First pay the trainee 0.12 per mile, and add in all of the gov't costs of income tax, SS tax, workman's comp such. Going with 5000 miles you are paying him $600, but your cost will be $670 or so. If you then figure out your cost for fuel for 5000 miles ($3.50 and 7.9MPG) you come up with $2215 in fuel. Add that to your fixed cost of (ballpark) $1100 and reefer fuel of about $15 per day (good avg) of $105 and you can ballpark (lots of ball parking here) your net income to be (we will go with $7200 gross for the week) you get $3110 net income for the week. This shows quite a jump in income, but you had better put some of that away for the effects of an inexperienced driver on your truck. Brakes cost $$$, so do tires, front fenders, mirrors, and anything else that a trainee can break. (or that service failure :biggrin_2552:) With a student on your truck for 6 weeks and you have increased your revenue over a solo by almost 200%. :biggrin_2551:

    Now for the advice... trainees are not stupid. they know that you are banking serious $$$ for their driving. DO NOT TAKE advantage of them. I have heard about trainees not getting showers... (or paying for showers) not getting trained on their eLogs, sending in trip sheets, backing into shippers/receivers, not doing arrival and departure messages. I know that if I drove for 6 weeks, made another man $18k in that 6 weeks and had to buy showers or didn't learn the truck management, I would be one P/O'd man on a mission to spread the word...:biggrin_25512:
     
  11. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Seriously low-balling the solo revenue. I'm running $1100+ net myself. The other thing is if you have any intention of purchasing a lease truck, Prime will not carry the note with the kind of miles that you rack-up in a team or training operation.
     
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