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  1. 03.11.2012 #91
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    out of gear is out of control. neutral = out of gear, even if the shifter is still in gear with the clutch pushed and held.

    the reason behind this is if you do not downshift, and do as you say, the danger factor is tenfold. what if something happened and you needed to speed up to move out of the way of something? if you are in neutral, that fraction of a second it takes you to think roadspeed vs gear needed, something bad could happen. just saying. i am guilty of doing this very thing sometimes, and i have to remember what my school instructor used to tell everyone. "out of gear is out of control."
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  3. 03.11.2012 #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrtyDiesel View Post
    Leaving it in gear isn't going to stop you any faster than coasting in neutral if your brakes suddenly stop working.
    Personally I dont coast to stops and it dont really matter to me if your in gear or not coasting to a stop but I dont see how you think there is no difference in torque and resistance being in gear vs. neutral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacdude1975 View Post
    out of gear is out of control. neutral = out of gear, even if the shifter is still in gear with the clutch pushed and held.

    the reason behind this is if you do not downshift, and do as you say, the danger factor is tenfold. what if something happened and you needed to speed up to move out of the way of something? if you are in neutral, that fraction of a second it takes you to think roadspeed vs gear needed, something bad could happen. just saying. i am guilty of doing this very thing sometimes, and i have to remember what my school instructor used to tell everyone. "out of gear is out of control."
    Yet another instructor who needs a swift kick in the nuts! While you don't want to be caught in neutral if you have an urgent need to accelerate, the truck is hardly "out of control." Are your options limited? Yes, but that's hardly out of control; no more than going down hill above your governed speed is out of control. Those of you who have gone through a CDL school need to take the time to examine what you were told by your instructors, and evaluate the validity of the blanket pronouncements like this. Because there are occasions where you'll want to do just what CadillacDude said not to do: push in the clutch and coast.


    I'll shut up now, I'm just a dinosuar who learned on his own, who has never even taken a driving test in a big rig, so I don't know nothin'! Please continue to blindly follow your instructors infinite wisdom.















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    There's another that would likely generate general apoplexy that has been lost to the whims of cyberspace on another forum that I could recount, but it'd likely be wasted breath.


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  6. 03.11.2012 #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Female Driver View Post
    May I interject my funny story about downshifting in a regular 4 wheeled vehicle?

    I was riding with my husband one day, and I had just then noticed that he'd push and hold the clutch in while coming to a stop, yet go from 5th, to 4th, to 3rd, to 2nd. I thought "well, maybe it was just some sorta one time thing" and sat and further observed him doing it over, and over, and over.

    Finally, I asked him what he was doing. Why on earth would he go down through the gears if he's not going to pull out the clutch each time? He said "That's called downshifting.". I'm like "Uh, no it's not". He said that he could pull out the clutch each time, to slow the vehicle, but he was taking the easy way and just coasting to a stop. I'm like "That's all well and good, but why are you moving the shifter through the gears while doing it. Furthermore, why not just put it in neutral and skip holding down the clutch?". He said you HAD to go down through the gears like that.

    So, after a good hour of me trying to convince him he was on crack, we finally got the opinions of others. To this day, I'm in awe at him doing such a thing, and him insisting he was right about the whole ordeal.

    I love my husband, and he's normally the smartest person in any room, but gawd, that was just silly.
    I do this once in a while when driving my pickup too, although when I do its usually because I am braking heavy and have already dropped lower than the gear would be useful at...so I quick switch to the next one and same thing. Or the other thing I will do is shift from 5th down to 3rd when coming to a stop rather than down shifting all of the gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrtyDiesel View Post
    Whys is this? Its not like I'm rolling in neutral at 50+MPH or even 25+. Leaving it in gear isn't going to stop you any faster than coasting in neutral if your brakes suddenly stop working.

    My trainer was an o/o so he taught me a lot of things to do to save fuel. Its a miniscule amount saved but it adds up over time.

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    It is very hard on a heavy duty transmission to coast in neutral, a better option is to leave it in a gear and once it begins to lug the engine push in the clutch and coast down that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockee View Post
    Personally I dont coast to stops and it dont really matter to me if your in gear or not coasting to a stop but I dont see how you think there is no difference in torque and resistance being in gear vs. neutral.
    engine speed/ rpms..foot off the fuel jake or no jake there is SOME drag..more wih the jakes..only time I'm not in a gear is when its parked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterbeatinit View Post
    only time I'm not in a gear is when its parked
    Now there is something we should all be able to agree on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNoutkast View Post
    Now there is something we should all be able to agree on!
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by American-Trucker View Post
    Heard ya the first time....




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    Yeah, idk how to remove the dup post, maybe a mod could do it for me. Stupid smart phone posted it 2x.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyjerz View Post
    Yeah, idk how to remove the dup post, maybe a mod could do it for me. Stupid smart phone posted it 2x.
    Thers no way to get rid of it, i just go back and edit it





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