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    CDL Restricted to Automatic Transmission

    I'm one of those geeks that actually reads boring material including the FMCSA book. I was reading a section on skills testing and CDL restrictions and section 383.95 Restrictions, paragraph (c) Manual Transmission reads:

    "If an applicant performs the skills test in a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission, the State must indicate on the CDL, if issued, that the person is restricted from operating a CMV equipped with a manual transmission".


    Our school does use the automatic for the skills test and the lead instructor says he's never heard of any such restrictions on a CDL. Have you?


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    My opinion, if you cant drive a manual trans in a tractor trailer, Stay out of the truck.

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    WG........

    Fmcsa tightens cdl documentation, testing rules

    posted from your ol buddy RR......

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    Quote Originally Posted by grusco View Post
    I'm one of those geeks that actually reads boring material including the FMCSA book. I was reading a section on skills testing and CDL restrictions and section 383.95 Restrictions, paragraph (c) Manual Transmission reads:

    "If an applicant performs the skills test in a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission, the State must indicate on the CDL, if issued, that the person is restricted from operating a CMV equipped with a manual transmission".


    Our school does use the automatic for the skills test and the lead instructor says he's never heard of any such restrictions on a CDL. Have you?
    If any school is teaching ONLY on automatics??

    Go to a different school. I just read the link provided by the numbers guy.

    i would NOT want ANY restrictions on my license.

    Now, I ain't too sure what states have that restriction, so check on yours. Seems to make sense to me though, that nearly every company has a stick shift, not an automatic.

    Those companies that HAVE automatics, (US EXPRESS is one), they are actually DOING AWAY with them!!!! and going BACK to manual shifting trucks!!!

    And your instructor is a blooming idiot, for NOT KNOWING.

    I would DEMAND to learn on a manual shift.

    Again however, YOUR STATE may have no such restrictions. However, what will a potential employer say if you cannot shift a manual?? You may find getting a job, very difficult.

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    Same thing with Schneider, they had a bunch of '06-'07 auto freightliners and are slowly retiring them and not getting new ones, just manual.

    I would not test on a auto, see if they can get you a manual for the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123456 View Post
    WG........

    Fmcsa tightens cdl documentation, testing rules

    posted from your ol buddy RR......
    Hi ya doing buddy 123456, I remember when Rerun posted that. To this day, I just dont understand the thought of wanting to drive an Automatic Truck. I always have this thought, In winter driving, the Automatic Trans, has a torch converter, that Will keep turning those wheels. I had a few times, where SOLID ice and Wind and Driving a Single Axle, M/T, was extremely dangerous, but had to put it in neutral, to avoid jackknifing. There is a BIG difference using a manual trans as to an automatic. I know you Know this, but there are so many new drivers that will be in a ditch driving these automatics.

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    All schools should train in a manual should be the restriction. Putting a restriction on a driver's license is redundant as they won't pass a road test.

    But yes, FMCSA rules are minimum states must follow including 383.95. They can add rules but not take away. 383.71(C) A person who operates or expects to operate entirely in intrastate commerce and is not subject to part 391, is subject to State driver qualification requirements and must certify that he/she is not subject to part 391.

    I had one guy with 2 years experience I had to give a road test. He was grinding to the max. He told me he never drove a stick before.

    The company still hired him but sent him out with a trainer.

    Some of these fly by night schools will buy the first cheap truck they come across thinking of big bucks. Similar to a new lease operator.

    A new student shopping for a school should ask the question.... Do you train in an automatic or manual?

    391.11 General qualifications of drivers.

    ( 8 ) Has successfully completed a driver's road test and has been issued a certificate of driver's road test in accordance with 391.31, or has presented an operator's license or a certificate of road test which the motor carrier that employs him/her has accepted as equivalent to a road test in accordance with 391.33.
    391.31Road test

    (b) The road test shall be given by the motor carrier or a person designated by it. However, a driver who is a motor carrier must be given the test by a person other than himself/herself. The test shall be given by a person who is competent to evaluate and determine whether the person who takes the test has demonstrated that he/she is capable of operating the commercial motor vehicle, and associated equipment, that the motor carrier intends to assign him/her.

    (c)(7) Braking, and slowing the commercial motor vehicle by means other than braking; and
    Last edited by CondoCruiser; 04.22.2012 at 07.55 AM. Reason:: added c7

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    Funny.

    Company I work for just bought a boat load of new Sleeper birth Volvo's with the AT.
    I drove the day cab AT for a week and HATED it.
    I'd rather drive the old International junk with the stick than one of these new trucks with an AT.

    And, I've driven quite a bit already in NYC in stop n go traffic. Still take the MT over the AT.

    I'm glad to hear that companies aren't going further down the AT road.
    I just cannot imagine "Trucking" without all the Gears.

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    A lot of todays youth haven't driven stick shifts. Learned on autos.

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    I learned to shift on a 3 on the tree.

    I think if I was older I'd appreciate the automatic in a semi option, but for now I prefer the simple manual trans. Automatic is more complicated and I don't know what the reliability statistics are between auto/manual in semi trucks, but auto seems to me to be asking for higher maintenance and down time for repairs.

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