Paper logs

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Hurst, May 29, 2012.

  1. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    Yep, see I'm with you on that. I refuse to show more than 65 - 68 mph or 730 - 750 miles,.. less through areas like Elk mtn etc, or 80 through PA. I'll bump the miles onto the next log. Its absurd to push me that hard and think I can continue to do it with out something drastic happen. Thats why I am quitting. I hung in here for as long as I could. I just cant do it anymore. I fear I will end up killing someone if I continue. Hopefully 6 months is enough to get hired somewhere else.

    I havent divulged the name of this company yet for fear that they have spies here. So I know they can screw me. Hopefully I have enough to prevent them from black listing me in this industry. Put some online apps out. 1 recruiter will call me back in an hour. Trying to have a job lined up before they can write false info on my hire right report. I wasnt perfect. I have a log violation from an inspection where I forgot to draw a line down to show I was driving when I got back in the truck. Was tired an forgot. The other is a ticket for a tire that had tread less than 1/32 left on it. Not directly my fault. I showed where I had been logging it an sending it in. But they hadnt replaced it yet. Then when I complained about the ticket,. the owner said it was my fault.

    Hurst
     
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  3. Emulsified

    Emulsified Road Train Member

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    DOT generally says that you can not average more than 5mph less than your governed speed or the posted speed limit.
    If you can prove you did more, you're fine.
    If you do it consistantly every day, you may have problems. But if it's occasional, don't worry.
    I often average more than 59mph with a 62 governed speed on days where I drive and don't stop.
    But the qualcomm tracks my travels and backs me up.
    i.e. Left at 0700, stopped at 0500 and logged 600 miles.
    The 'nazis' don't like it, but it's what happens.
     
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  4. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The DOT boys are well aware of how logging works. Most companies that send back a log for the driver to correct are doing so because there's a mistake the driver made. BTW, most companies use a computer to audit logs and it's the computer that kicks out driver screw ups. But be VERY careful about changing a log to appease the truck company. That one can come back and bite you. And it's NOT legal for the company to tell/ask you to change your log.
     
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  5. chompi

    chompi Road Train Member

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    Definitely your best bet! Get your ducks in a row and don't say anything. Most of those mega-carriers have pretty good lawyers so it won't be worth your time to try and defend something they put on your record. Just cover your butt and move on.
     
  6. Gizmo_Man

    Gizmo_Man Road Train Member

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    from a website: http://www.transproducts.com/fdh_htmlcode/fdh_faq/log_faqs.html

    [​IMG] What is the average speed a driver can log with todays highway speed limits?

    Drivers are required to conform to the posted speed limits prescribed by the jurisdictions in or through which they travel. Where the total trip is on highways with a speed limit of 65 mph, trips of 550-600 miles completed in 10 hours are considered questionable and the motor carrier may be asked to document that such trips can be made. Trips of 600 miles or more will be assumed to be incapable of being completed without violations of the speed limits and may be required to be documented. In areas where a 55 mph speed limit is in effect, trips of 450-500 are open to question; and runs of 500 miles or more are considered incapable of being made in compliance with the speed limit and hours of service limitation. (Interpretive Guidelines: 392.6 Your question: 1)

    and this:
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=392.6


    now me personally, i log at an average speed of 60 mph.

    now as for "correcting logs"

    if one made a mistake, the log book dept can ask you to make a correction.

    usually, they send you back your log page. from there you have 2 choices.

    1) correct THAT log page, and sign the area you made the correction and state, "correction made by (insert driver's name)"

    2) you may use another new log page, make all the corrections, then again, YOU MUST STATE, "corrected log by *insert drivers name*, then sign it..

    NOW you must make the correction in your log book as well, cuz if you get in a scale house, or accident, they WILL EXAM your log book, so you want to make sure everything matches up.

    if you do the "new page" correction, you staple a copy, usually the original copy of the corrected log, to the log you made the mistake on. Then the carbon you can staple to your goofed up carbon copy.

    also one must think that "averaging speeds", as stated in the DOT i have provided, will get YOU INTO hot water for speeding if the miles are too short.

    unless one is driving in a part of the USA where speed limits are a CONSTANT 75 mph, then you had better just "average" your speed between 50 to 60 mph.

    so for instance, you do a 500 mile run in say 3 hours, #####, you have rocket boosters strapped to your rig, INSTANT speeding ticket, BY YOUR LOG...!!!!

    Make ANY corrections you goofed up on, but think about that speeding ticket you may get, if you average the speeds your company wants you to do it at.
     
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  7. ramkatral

    ramkatral Heavy Load Member

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    I use loose leaf logs. I definitely don't complain about that fact. I have t met many people who do, either.
     
  8. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    Very good info Gizmo. I need to learn where to find these resources so I can search out the legal side of things on my own.

    My issue isnt with paper logs so much as it is with being required to correct logs that I know are not 100% accurate in the first place. Usually my manager told me how and where (Held my hand with step by step instructions) to write in the hours in order for me to get the load to my destination on time.

    I am home now and things are looking positive to get in with couple better companies. Both who are interested in me run E-logs and do Qualcomm. Both totally new to me, but I am hoping I can have a better experience with a company that strives for driver safety.

    Thanks guys.

    Hurst
     
  9. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    Someone can pound sand with that statement too.

    I have consistently, when not caught on a dock for the day, been able to put in a 600-670 mile day when I am just allowed to do my driving.

    And my truck is governed to 65 mph too. My daily average looking over the last 3 months is still 61 mph.
     
  10. ramkatral

    ramkatral Heavy Load Member

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    I run over 600 in a day legally quite easily.
     
  11. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    You log it as you run it . What would be illegal would be to falsify logs to show an acceptable speed . Yes , auditors have used high speeds to claim document falsification . They did this when auditing USX in 2006 when drivers average speed in OH was over 58 m.p.h. and OH truck speed was still 55 m.p.h. . Pat Quinn deserved that . He learned a lesson about messing with O/O's and drivers . While he was pushing for speed limiters his drivers were reported to FMCSA and OHP for speeding . That earned USX a deficient Safety Management SEA and an INSPECT rating at the scales .
    With e-logs auditors can no longer charge speeding as log falsification .
     
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