Student interested in teaming.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Chase05, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Chase05

    Chase05 Medium Load Member

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    I'm new on this site, and just a CDL student atm (3rd week of nothing but straight line backing, drop/hook=awesome...), but I'm interested in doing team driving. It seems like some companies (anything I reference will be starter companies, lol) have a preference for teams and pay them better. I've also gotten the impression from some posts here that teams may get better loads, which makes sense I guess, they can get stuff done quicker. I was hoping you guys here could give me some advice based on your own experience, the pros and cons of teams, stuff you wish you knew before starting, etc. I'm pretty anxious to get out on the road, but I'm stuck in this dumb class for 3 more months, so any related stories or advice will be very welcome, lol. Just gonna throw down a few specific questions, but again, any advice would be appreciated.

    1. Do teams get pushed the same as solo drivers? Might seem kinda stupid to ask, but I don't know what the real trucking world is like, tho I'm sure this answer would depend on the company I work for. I plan on getting as many miles as I can, but was just wondering if a team might sometimes have the luxury of looser deadlines/time expectations gained from their ability to operate 24/7. Should I be prepared to be scheduled heavily whenever possible?

    2. I have a friend in my CDL class that came up to me and said he'd be interested in doing teams, right when I was thinking about asking him, lol. We haven't talked about it a whole lot since tho. While I won't say I've lost any faith in him, we are talking about a pretty major career path here, so I was wondering how getting into teaming works if you don't bring your own team mate. Are there places to meet other truckers to team with? Are companies that want team drivers prepared to "issue" you a partner if you apply without one? What about your experiences teaming with someone you didn't know well?

    3. Any rules, benefits, or little things overlooked about teaming compared to solo OTR?

    4. I said above that I got the impression that teams get better/longer loads. Do you find this to be true? Do companies that do solo and teams give longer loads to teams, or does it generally only affect freight with short deadlines?

    5. I've read about bad companies on here. I know some people are going to tell me all starter companies are bad, but it seems to be that you just have to know what to do, be willing to work and maybe a little luck. Anyway, the question is, are there any companies that are notoriously bad to team for?

    6. Are there tricks to getting better sleep doing team driving? Some people sweat up and down that it's not possible, but I'm not too worried about it. Is it mostly about your partner not driving like an idiot, or are there trucks that accommodate team driving better, and do companies generally issue those to teams?

    7. And of course, just like most "student wanting advice" threads, any thoughts on the best company to start for? Going off mostly recruiters that have come into my CDL school, US express seems pretty good for teams (awful for solo tho, they really seemed like they were far more interested in teams), paying 48 CPM. I think it was Crete/Schaffer that sounded pretty good too. Werner came in with a pretty smooth recruiter at first, was really interested for about 20 minutes, then some numbers came out of his mouth and they moved down to my "just in case no one else hires me" group, which seems to be their role after what I've read on these forums. Funny thing, the Werner recruiter busted on companies with sliding pay scales, then presented us with a completely undisguised sliding pay scale pay package... Was actually the first company to present to our class that actually had one, lol.

    8. What about companies after my first year with the bottom feeders? Any known companies that need experienced teams and are better than the starters?

    Ok, I get long winded whenever I make forum posts, lol. Thanks in advance for any advice you guys can give me.
     
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  3. Hammertyme

    Hammertyme Light Load Member

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    No teaming unless teammate is from same house or same town. When u need to go home where does he go?
     
  4. Chase05

    Chase05 Medium Load Member

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    That is a bit of an issue, but I forgot to mention, and it's important I guess, I couldn't really care less about home time. No girl, no kids, living at home at an age a little later than I'd like to admit... I just wanna get on the road and make some money and see the country. If my pansy partner wants to go home, I'll play video games and spank it in the truck to reset my clock. JK, lol, but I'm just not worried about home time atm. Plus, I have to imagine it's possible to find a partner within an hour or so of my home town, I live in NY (not NY, NY, theres a lot more to the state...).

    Also, I have a friend interested in doing this with me, I'm just wondering about my options if he decides to back out (he's got a family, and we've only just been in class for a month together).
     
  5. xlsdraw

    xlsdraw Road Train Member

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    Many try teaming and very, very few last more than a couple months. Make sure you choose a company that will allow you to switch to solo if teaming fails. And make sure you get that condition in writing.
     
  6. chompi

    chompi Road Train Member

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    Yes you can make very, very good money teaming! Its better if you are doing it with your spouse or significant other but nonetheless you will still make good money. Its very important to find the right person to team with. Keep in mind that you will be essentially stuck to each for months on end. Teams typically stay out longer than solo drivers, so plan on about two month stints. With that being said though there are some unique gigs out there in which you can run as a team and only be gone for 3-5 days at a time. I work for a company, team driving out of Miami, Fl and we do 3 trips to Texas a week (technically 9 days) Leave out Saturday afternoon deliver in Dallas, grab a back haul and are back Tuesday morning. I go home take a shower and then go back out Tuesday afternoon. Once again, we leave out of Miami and deliver in Dallas and are back Friday morning early. I then have the rest of the day off and we do one more trip the next day (Saturday). Leave out Saturday afternoon, Miami-Dallas and are back early Tuesday morning. We then have off Tuesday morning through Saturday afternoon! During those few days off we can run local or do a short trip if we want extra money. I get paid $.24 a mile, hub miles (every mile the truck rolls) and we do roughly 9300 miles give or take a few miles every 9 days. I make roughly $2200.00 for my 9 day run.

    Like I said, there are many unique gigs out there you just have to find them. I would highly advise you stay away from the mega-carriers! You don't have to work for a bottom feeder company just because you are new drivers! If Crete will take you I would highly recommend them! Crete is a very good company, especially if you are going to run team!

    You don't have to haul regular freight either. There are driving jobs out there like concert tours, sports venues, NASCAR etc... in which you drive them around event to event. These jobs require you stay out for 8-10 months or whatever schedule their tour runs. However its not like regular driving in that a lot of these driving jobs will put you up in fancy hotels and treat you very well! On the down side, these runs are very demanding in that no matter what, the truck must roll! If the weather is bad or the roads are closed you must find a way around it. If you're sick or have family problems that will have to be put to the side. Unless you are dying, that truck must roll!

    Hauling animals is also another good team gig. My wife and I hauled very expensive horses in a custom tractor-trailer and were paid a very good salary and treated pretty good! We would get to spend a lot of time at the races and horse shows and were allotted hotel rooms, food and per diem on top of our salary pay. Once again though, the downside was that we would be gone from home for 3-4 months at a time. That allowed for our bank account to really build up though!

    Air freight companies are also a good gig! So is expedite.

    Take the time to do your home work because if you are going to team there are a lot of good opportunities out there you just have to find them. Good opportunities don't usually advertise. I knew a driver who got a job team driving for a NASCAR team straight out of school! He was in the right place at the right time and didn't listen to the "naysayers" who said he had to work for a bottom feeder company for the first year of his driving career!

    To answer some of your other questions...

    Yes teams get pushed hard! If you are going to run as a team you better be prepared to hustle! On average, for example, if you were to just drive for a regular freight company the usually expect you to average 1000 miles a day or 7000 miles a week. Ultimately that's what you should be shooting for. You aren't going to do that your first few months out there though, it will take some time to build up to that. You have to be very proficient in your trip planning to run those big miles!

    Your deadlines will not be more looser. They will be tighter! Teams are often given the "hot" loads and these are loads that must get to their destination asap no matter what! Teams are expected to get that load there no matter what!

    Yes teams typically run longer runs and are utilized more often to run coast to coast loads.

    There are many benefits to teaming.... One of my favorite is that you can go to sleep and when you wake up you are few states away from where you went to bed when you wake up. Its often like being in a time machine! Once you get out there you can establish a schedule that will best fit your driving personalities. I like driving at night because there's no traffic and it, to me, is a lot less stressful. Therefore I drive the night shift and my partner drives the day shift. You can break it up however you want or whatever works best for you guys. Don't get me wrong, it will take some getting used to trying to sleep in a moving truck! Even at that, there are roads out there in this fine country that will throw you three feet out of the bunk while you are trying to sleep!

    The most important thing in teaming is finding someone who not only is compatible and a safe driver but someone who also has the same goals in driving. You don't want to team with someone who has to stop and eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner! You won't make any money! As a team you really have to hustle and if your partner is willing to do so, then you will be dead in the water! Your team mate has to be able to drive their shift. Not drive for 4 hours and take a nap because their tired! You really have limit your stops and make them count when you do stop. When you stop to switch drivers is when you bathroom break, grab food, drink, brush your teeth etc... you also want to try to do this during a fuel stop. This lessens your stops. You really want to try and match your bathroom stops. Two guys on different bathroom schedules will have that truck stopping every hour! Every time you stop or leave that interstate you are loosing at least 20-30 minutes. Doesn't sound too bad but over a week or a month that ads up to be a lot of money!!!

    The "bad companies" question we covered..... stay away from the mega-carriers (ie. Swift, Werner, England, USX etc...) Like I said before, take the time to find yourselves a good gig from the get-go. Put it in your head now... there will be no sacrificing for a year just because you guys are new drivers! Don't let anyone try to tell you differently!

    You had a question about trucks for teams... teams are usually issued the better trucks. You will run a lot of miles so they typically give the teams the new trucks and recycle them every year or so. Yes they also TRY to get you a good size truck for teaming though they are all pretty comparable. Right now the best trucks for teams would be like a Cascadia, Volvo, Prostar etc... The new Pete's and Prostars are very good trucks and have very roomy sleepers but the driving part of the cabs is stepped in and there isn't a lot of room if you are both riding up front. Of course the Classics, Western Stars, International 9900's, Volvo 780-880, studio W900 etc... are probably some of the biggest and roomiest but not always chosen by companies do to cost. You can go online to some of their websites and see picts and virtual tour videos of the insides of the trucks.

    I'll leave you with that to mull over.....

    Don't want to bore other readers! If you have questions just "pm" me and I'll be happy to help you out.

    Good luck man...
     
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  7. Wildblackyonder

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    Try teaming in a t660...tight. Seriously think it through I cannot add anything that these folks haven't and they are 100% correct.
     
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  8. chompi

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    Ya, the 660 also steps in on the cab and not only that but has a step down to get into the back with little floor space in the sleeper!
     
  9. Chase05

    Chase05 Medium Load Member

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    JK, lol! That was a very enlightening post chompi, and I sincerely thank you for taking the time to put that out for me, and anyone else interested in this topic. The point of making sure I can switch to solo if desired is really good to remember to, thanks xls. Btw, USX, that's US Xpress, right? I was interested in them because they said they go to 48CPM after 8 weeks (may have said up to after 8 weeks, have to recheck, not gonna be dumb about this, lol). I haven't done a whole lot of research on here for them, but what I've found seems to be equal good and bad, although I've learned to take bad company reviews with a grain of salt due to most of those coming from people that got fired or screwed themselves over. Still wary tho, not stupid, lol. Anyway, what makes US Xpress a bad company?

    I'm glad that Crete comes recommended. One of their recruiters came into my class and I liked what they had to say.

    I asked something similar to this in my OP, but do most companies interested in teams have a matching program for people without a partner in mind? I noticed Schneider does, so I've taken note of them. I've only heard them mentioned a few times so far on this site. They seem to be just another starter company, but better than some. Anyone have anything to say about Schneider?

    And chompi, I'm looking into a lot of different opportunities, since I still have plenty of time left in this dumb CDL class, lol. I haven't doomed myself to a starter company, but I'm prepared for them I guess. If I can find something better, I'll check it out, I'm in this for a career, aka, money, but I'm actually really interested in just being an OTR driver. People will laugh at this, but I'm just kind of excited to be an OTR driver and see what these mega carriers are like. If you work hard and make the right decisions, they don't have to be a death sentence. Then again, I was excited to start backing maneuvers in my schools yard after 3 weeks of nothing but class room stuff, but I'm tired of that already too, lol. I really don't need 3 weeks of nothing but drop and hook and straight backing (in trucks that may have been salvaged from a Mexican junk yard), I'm goin nuts. I don't get to go on road rides for 4 more weeks. Stupid 18 week accredited program...
     
  10. paul_4lp

    paul_4lp Road Train Member

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    LOL ....yeah sure was lol
     
  11. Ex-Con-Trucker

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    I'd rather take a nap in the middle of 285 in Atlanta than team or train.

    I became a trainer, and my first student lasted 3 days before he was on a bus back to the terminal. It takes a special person to train or team drive. A lot of patience, counting to ten while holding breath, and trust.
     
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