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    The ignorance and mis-information in this thread is unbelievable!!

    Ibuprofen WILL cause a fale positive UNTIL the GCMS ( gas chromatography-mass spectrometer) is done on the second speciemen.

    Poppy seeds would have to be consumed in such a large quantity to test positive that it is not even practical for it to happen (Myth Busters proved this)

    To test positive from 2nd hand exposure would take a person to basicly sit in a car with the windows rolled up for a LONG time and not just off one joint/bowl/blunt



    The chance of testing positive off a hit or two is also near impossible due to the cutoff levels of
    50 ng/ml on the strip test and 15 ng/ml on the GCMS test

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillbumps View Post
    I DO NOT have my cdl a yet....I came on a permit ONLY! if I was exposed it was not near enough to get back in my system as I know you have to in that 'hot box' for a long time with a lot of second hand smoke. I just do not understand why I dropped dirty...3 months after I smoked last. 3 MONTHS!!! Im no idiot...I know about thc and the body. And after i had a test done to be sure? Something not right and the company did not keep me around for a retest.
    Are you over weight ? that will keep it in your system alot longer. before the next test get a home kit from walmart an take it. keep trying, Good luck !

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    Oh I agree these threads are ignorant but they seem to come around every so often. They're always entertaining though. I think OP should get a gig delivering pizza. He can fulfill his desire of driving for a living and continue to toke. Heck in a big enough city he'd probably make more money than a newbie driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillbumps View Post
    I failed a pre employment drug screen but I have not smoked in over three months. I knew I would be doing this and quit smoking. I spoke to the doctor and he said I was positive for marijuana. When asked about meds I told him yes I did have a RX for ibuprofen which I had taken from time to time. I took one the night before and the morning of the test. Being that I would never expect this I was told a couple days after the submission that it was being reviewed. With my curious nature I get online and research this and it turns out that YES....ibuprofen will show a false positive...I even pointed this out to the doctor and he dismissed it...said medical marijuana would be the only thing that would show up other than actually having marijuana in my system. This was a urine test and I know I was not dirty before I came to training....

    How is this? I gave up everything to come to this training and I have NOTHING to go home to including a place to stay! They didnt offer a second test and I was put out on the street.

    What can I do about this and is this the end of any hopeful driving career?

    Please im being serious...I am not looking for smart comments as ive seen on here...need some kind of 'advice' of a sensible nature...yes I know not to walk into a test 'wondering' thats why I waited so long to apply and attend training. Any insight is appreciated and I thank you in advance!
    Ok,did you have a cdl in hand when you took the test? This makes a huge difference.If you dont have a cdl yet,you dont have to go thru a substance abuse program( to get your cdl back). No dac report because you wouldnt be under DOT rules without a cdl. You're just a dude they dont care that failed. Theres several possible solutions. It can be complicated . If you havent been to trucking school yet or had a cdl,could just go to another school in a month,omit CRST or wherever it was who did a prehire test. Wait a while apply to a another school/trucking job training company. But if you had a CDL before this test youre in a bad way. No experience,failed drug test. NOBODY will hire you for a safety sensitive driving position. WOW over 90 days and still failed! NO sneaking a couple hits last Thursday,just 90 days fail.If this is true info yes,rx ibuprofen can come up as a false positive.Need to act quickly (if you had a cdl and get an independent lab to retest it. Will cost. Are you sure it was the lab calling? Did the company send you home? Or what? If it all checks out as you being pos for weed and you have a cdl yes, youre done for minimum of 3 years if they are nice enough to quit repirting it. Federal law says they are required to report it for 3 years,but if they want they can report it to future employers (just to be a .oles for as long as they are asked about it. (If you have a cdl now) .If you dont,clean up permanently(totally cut weed away as long as you plan on being a trucker) omit it on your app,find a new cdl mill and carry on.

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    When the specimen is analyzed in a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer, providing that the handling & analysis protocols are followed properly, any possible false positives are clarified and either support the original result of the test, or refute the original result while possibly providing the reason / substance which caused the false.

    GMCS is conclusive, and leaves no question about the (in this case) suspected THC metabolite. Next time you take a whiz quiz you'll know to be clean for longer than 3 months, yes?

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    I'll take fries with that. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by losttrucker View Post
    The ignorance and mis-information in this thread is unbelievable!!

    Ibuprofen WILL cause a fale positive UNTIL the GCMS ( gas chromatography-mass spectrometer) is done on the second speciemen.

    Poppy seeds would have to be consumed in such a large quantity to test positive that it is not even practical for it to happen (Myth Busters proved this)

    To test positive from 2nd hand exposure would take a person to basicly sit in a car with the windows rolled up for a LONG time and not just off one joint/bowl/blunt

    The chance of testing positive off a hit or two is also near impossible due to the cutoff levels of
    50 ng/ml on the strip test and 15 ng/ml on the GCMS test
    Yes, assuming the op is truthful in what he is saying, it is possible that the ibuprofen caused a false positive, so they did the gc/ms test.

    If they did that and found even small traces of marijuana, they will fail you.

    I have to agree about the ignorance and misinformation.

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    Since you don't have you're CDL license, I doubt its going to be on your dac record. The drug screening is screwed in some ways, I seen a guy fail a drug test b/c his test came back too clean.

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    § 382.301
    Pre-employment testing.

    (3) The employer ensures that no prior employer of the driver of whom the employer has knowledge has records of a violation of this part or the controlled substances use rule of another DOT agency within the previous six months.
    *Question 7: A driver has tested positive and completed the referral and evaluation process up to the point of being released by the SAP for a return-to-duty test. The driver no longer works for the employer where he/she tested positive. The driver applies for work with a new employer. Must the new employer conduct two separate controlled substances tests (one pre-employment and one return-to-duty), or will one test suffice for both purposes?

    Guidance:
    An individual, who has complied with the education/treatment process as required under 49 CFR Part 40, Subpart O, but has not submitted to a return-to-duty test, and is seeking employment with a new employer, a single test will suffice to meet the requirements of §382.301 and §382.309 only when the new employer would be required to conduct both tests on the same day
    All the DOT drug testing rules and questions

    http://www.dot.gov/odapc/part40


    MRO rules

    (h) You must maintain reports and records related to negatives and cancelled results for one year; you must maintain reports and records related to positives and refusals for five years, unless otherwise specified by applicable DOT agency regulations.
    40.13 (e) No one is permitted to change or disregard the results of DOT tests based on the results of non-DOT tests. For example, as an employer you must not disregard a verified positive DOT drug test result because the employee presents a negative test result from a blood or urine specimen collected by the employee's physician or a DNA test result purporting to question the identity of the DOT specimen.
    What happens to me when I test positive or refuse to test(i.e. adulterate, or substitute my urine specimen, or decline to be tested)?

    When you test positive or refuse a test, you are not permitted to perform safety-sensitive duties until you have seen a Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) and successfully completed the return-to-duty process, which includes a Federal return-to-duty drug and/or alcohol test. Working in a safety-sensitive position before successfully completing the return-to-duty process is a violation of the regulations.

    http://www.hireright.com/Drug-And-Al...se.aspx?apsi=0
    Our proprietary Drug and Alcohol History Database contains records from more than 2,500 motor carriers, and includes both historical employment records and pre-employment drug test results. It acts as a ‘file cabinet’ for motor carriers and participating members are required to submit records to gain access.
    Currently containing over 3 million records, with thousands added every month, the Drug and Alcohol History Database is your exclusive source for disclosures of drug and alcohol history records and pre-employment drug test results from other motor carriers. And since usage requires the exchange of information, you gain access to an industry-exclusive repository with the most comprehensive information available.
    Key features:
    • Includes driver records from participating motor carriers
    • A comprehensive source for current and past drug and alcohol records
    • Contains drug and alcohol history and pre-employment drug test results
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    Quote Originally Posted by dadir View Post
    Since you don't have you're CDL license, I doubt its going to be on your dac record. The drug screening is screwed in some ways, I seen a guy fail a drug test b/c his test came back too clean.
    How in God's name can a drug test be TOO CLEAN??
    Both the D.O.T. and the trucking companies want the truck drivers to be totally clean and drug free, and then some. If nothing illicit, illegal, or questionable is showing up in one's system, then what is the problem?

    God bless every American and their families! God bless the U.S.A.!

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