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Old 07.18.2008
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I worked 39 hours this week...over 4 1/2 days

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Exactly correct once you go on duty you have a maximum of 14 hour window before you must be off duty for 10 hours, so if you only work a total 8 hours you need a 10 hour break then you will have 14 hour window again
Oh, heck. Split sleeper. Didn't I say that I wasn't going to go there?

The above isn't exactly true. If you drive less than 11 hours (say the theoretical 8 above) you can turn off the 14 hour clock with 8 hours off duty or in the sleeper. Following that you can drive the rest of the 11 (as in above 3 hours) and then take the remainder of your break (2 hours in the sleeper or off duty) and then finish with 8 hours of driving. The split sleeper birth is a point of contention, and still being debated while they decide how to finally establish the HOS. Sorry, you missed the public comment time, I put my .02 in. I used the old split sleeper alot, I only tend to sleep 5-6 hours and it was convienent to avoid urban rush hours and keep running.

If you split your sleeper as in above, the only way to turn it off is to take the full 10 hour break. I have read that some DOT officers have funny ways to interpret the law as well. If you are new, you probably want to keep it simple and just take your 10 after you finish work for the day.
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Exactly correct once you go on duty you have a maximum of 14 hour window before you must be off duty for 10 hours, so if you only work a total 8 hours you need a 10 hour break then you will have 14 hour window again
There is no "14 hour window" , only an 11 hour driving window before taking a 10 hour break . You could drive 11 hours then work another 8 hours on the dock and not be in violation . You would just have to take a 10 hour break before driving again .
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There is no "14 hour window" , only an 11 hour driving window before taking a 10 hour break . You could drive 11 hours then work another 8 hours on the dock and not be in violation . You would just have to take a 10 hour break before driving again .
That's kind of a misnomer there. The 14 hour window, is where the 11 hours driving must occur.

You can work for 14 hours on the dock...but any driving is smoked for the day.
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There is no "14 hour window" , only an 11 hour driving window before taking a 10 hour break . You could drive 11 hours then work another 8 hours on the dock and not be in violation . You would just have to take a 10 hour break before driving again .
Better check again, the HOS rules read maximum 14 on duty, maximum 11 hours driving. But hey, you could always lie, drive 11, work an 8 hour shift on the dock and then a 2 hour nap and go out again. Just stay away from me on the road....you would be worse than a drunk. Happy to bring quotes and rule #'s if someone is a doubting thomas...
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Better check again, the HOS rules read maximum 14 on duty, maximum 11 hours driving. But hey, you could always lie, drive 11, work an 8 hour shift on the dock and then a 2 hour nap and go out again. Just stay away from me on the road....you would be worse than a drunk. Happy to bring quotes and rule #'s if someone is a doubting thomas...

Actually, Rick G. is correct.

You are not allowed to drive after the 14 hour window. You can be on duty not driving after the 14 hour window. In fact you can do as he said. After you drive your 11, work the 8 and then take off the 10 hours, you are as legal as needed to be.
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If I read FMC Reb 395.3 correctly, you can't drive past the 14th
hour, but can remain on duty. Of course who would want to?
Please straighten up this minor point for me.
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this is where a lot of drivers get in trouble. you can work an infinite amount of hours on line four but before you drive again you have to take a ten hour break. makes no sense but that is the way it is.
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If you have the maximum of 70 hours you can't reset in 34 (only up to, say 69.75 hrs but not more).
Huh?

It doesn't matter how many hours you have, you will get a reset to zero if you take 34 consecutive hours off-duty (including sleeper if applicable).
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Maxing out your 70 hours is over the course of 8 days. If you have the maximum of 70 hours you can't reset in 34 (only up to, say 69.75 hrs but not more). Not everyone has the time to reset, especially if you are under a load. If you don't reset, you will work off of your recap. Some logbooks have them printed on, but if not you can do it yourself to make sure you don't go over your 70 in 8 days. List your hours newest at the bottom. Each day put your latest hours of the day at the bottom of the list pushing up the past days, up to 7 days. The hours of the 8th day push the hours at the top of the list back into service for you. Sometimes you will see drivers in truckstops take off at midnight (or 11pm or 1am depending what time zone they log in) they just got more hours back and can move again.

The magic number is 8.75. If you never work more than that in a day you never run out of hours and can do that indefinately (not that you'd want to, but if you have to be out for a long time, it could help to keep you moving. It is important to most dispatchers to know how many hours you have for that day, and two or three in advance. There is nothing worse for them to put you under a load that you don't have the hours available to deliver on time.Don't forget, hos aren't just driving, but includes on duty not driving, i.e., pre trip, fueling, loading and unloading....or chaining up!

Split sleeper? I won't even go there....




I don't know where you got your info I highlited in red, but I've never heard that. I've often run the 70 up tight and reset without any problems from safety or the DOT.

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I don't know where you got your info I highlited in red, but I've never heard that. I've often run the 70 up tight and reset without any problems from safety or the DOT.

Trust me driver you can't always believe every thing you hear on the CB.
Actually, there was a problem with the DOT on this issue during the start of Katrina emergency ruling. It was first believed that there was no way a restart of 34 hours could wipe out any of the hours in excess of 70 hours. However, FMCSA ruled that anytime a restart of 34 hours is taken, it is a total reset of the available hours. This happened in September 2005.
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