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oldcornbinder · **^ Top** #41 11.28.2008

AfterShock,

I tried to send you a pm but I can't yet due to my low post numbers. Either you can pm me and I'll reply to that. Or I'll just have to make my knuckles blue with post for 43 more time tonight.

PaymentPlan · **^ Top** #42 11.28.2008

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Originally Posted by oldcornbinder

AfterShock,

I tried to send you a pm but I can't yet due to my low post numbers. Either you can pm me and I'll reply to that. Or I'll just have to make my knuckles blue with post for 43 more time tonight.

LOL I have been posting every time i get on but i am still not there yet

MeanGreen · **^ Top** #43 11.28.2008

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Originally Posted by JD F350

Hey Guys/Gals I have a ?

I'm currently a line maintenance technician for a communications company but not sure for how much longer with impending layoffs. I know this is the worst time to be switching careers but I do have CDL permit and have enough saved up for a Local community College course to hopefully achieve my license. I don't drink or do drugs but am on a mild blood pressure med and Lorazepam taken when needed for anxiety. I read that benzodiazepine is on a banned list for DOT testing. Is that still the case when prescribed?
Thanks again for any insite and apologize in advance if this subject has been beaten to death.

Ive only heard of one drug that can ban someone when prescribed and thats Methadone . I think they have an entire list .But if you are involved in an accident they'll want to know everything and anything you're on . Prescibed or not . You can be held responsible even if the drug is prescribed and they find you impaired from that drug. To be sure you can root around here [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. they have allot of info on there and all the laws about that sorta thing . thats what i would do to make sure Lorezapam isnt banned . If it is banned ask your doc for an alternative if there is one . But the way this thread is going you might wanna take up Drinking ...or perhaps maybe try some POT atleast you know whats banned there .

bobolobo · **^ Top** #44 11.29.2008

well acording to d.o.t. alcohol is the biggest offender of highway death. You never hear much about pot related deaths because they don't happen very often. alcohol is a mind altering substance that causes violence and stupidity. Most people including our beloved government understand that pot is minimally harmful by contrast to alcohol and even many prescription drugs that contain opiates or others like antidepressants. however it's still illegal and since we are involved in a safety sesitive function it's just not a good idea to smoke the stuff.

bobolobo · **^ Top** #45 11.29.2008

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Originally Posted by scotty

Yes, I made the mistake of getting a poppy seeded bagal then took a drug test and was later asked by my employer if I was on cocain? I told them what I ate and was not aware of the poppy seeds that I would re-take my drug test. Most employers will do so if you are honest with them but the last thing you should not do is get up-set. Be calim and honest>

dude, the reason that I know you're lying is because eating poppy's would show up as heroin, not cocaine. And second, you would have to eat a million or so poppy seeds for it show up.

AfterShock · **^ Top** #46 11.29.2008

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Originally Posted by oldcornbinder

The majority is from major medical research done on long term use of thc which was compiled from The Oregon Department of Corrections, Substance Abuse program research.

No conflict of interest there, is there?

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In addition, this information was corroborated by Serenity Lane, Best Care Treatment programs (Oregon based not for profit org) and the US Surgeon General.

Again, no conflict of interest there, is there?

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Most of this info is on the net if you want to google it but as with everything on the net you really have to check out the source of the post.

I have and I do.

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There are alot of people out there that want to justify the use of THC in any manner and will post allot of misleading information and BS.

I think there are more people who want to prevent the use of THC in any manner and will post a lot of misleading information and bovine excrement to accomplish their goal.
And our own gubmint is right up there near, if not AT, the top of the list.

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Any way the majority of the information is public access and can be shared. Please look for these sources yourself and be prepared to read.

I assure you I HAVE researched the subject. And I did so with an open mind, --- seeking the TRUTH.
And I assure you, we ain't hearin' the TRUTH from our gubmint.

Google:
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
for an interesting read.

Believe it or not.
It seems The Emperor does.

oldcornbinder · **^ Top** #47 11.29.2008

AfterShock,

Apparently you are a user of THC and need to justify it, you'll find allot of information to justify it so help your self. There are allot of good conspiracy theories out there that you can read and subscribe to justify your philosophy. Unfortunately, none of these are based in fact through scientific study.

As I implied in my post those that use THC will justify the use in any manner and I expected that.

Both non profit programs listed in the earleir post would love to have empty beds and and have 100% recovery as there goal. Dispite what you think the Oregon DOC would love to have empty beds. There is no way the tax payers want to continue to fund the cost of cronic users.

Again if you PM me I will give you all of the links I found on google.

oldcornbinder · **^ Top** #48 11.29.2008

AfterShock,

I went to that site you listed and I have to say that yes the use of HEMP can be very useful and has been in the past. I will spend the time reading the bulk of the information that he list but it does go far afield from my original post which is the long term effect of thc on the brain ie: loss of short term memory, reduced cognitive skills and it's reduction in reaction time.

SLIDER999 · **^ Top** #49 11.30.2008

I know aout the dot physical & road & backing for prehires. Somewhere I read about written tests. I wan't aware of that. Don't remember any previos mention of that. Is that true & what are they testing. Like the CDL Permit exam or other things? I have not had an Orientation yet & would hate to screw up by being surprised. I really need feedback on this. Can't find answers yet

AfterShock · **^ Top** #50 11.30.2008

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Originally Posted by oldcornbinder

AfterShock,

Apparently you are a user of THC and need to justify it,

Really?
It's apparent to you?
Hmmmmmm
"Apparently" you are also a chronic user of THC, based on your self-proclaimed expertise.
Or, are you another of those folks with absolutely NO experience, and just believe what you WANT to believe?

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you'll find allot of information to justify it so help your self.

As I've already mentioned, I HAVE researched this subject in depth because I'm MOST interested in the TRUTH.
"Apparently" you have short-term memory problems.

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There are allot of good conspiracy theories out there that you can read and subscribe to justify your philosophy.

I believe that.
"Apparently" you do, too.

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Unfortunately, none of these are based in fact through scientific study.

"NONE" (are based in fact)?
Is THAT a "fact"?
"Apparently" your research has been limited.

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As I implied in my post those that use THC will justify the use in any manner and I expected that.

So you did.
Actually, you did more than "imply"
You took a cheap shot at me.
But, "apparently" that's typical.
Not to mention transparent.

And there are also those who choose to "justify" their beliefs by suggesting that those who try to educate those who have NO experience, or desire to learn from those who do, and/or have researched the subject and found what have been presented as "facts" to be something OTHER than facts.
And, like you, I "expected" that.

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Both non profit programs listed in the earleir post would love to have empty beds and and have 100% recovery as there goal.

If that's true, then they'd be out of a cushy, tax-payer paid job.
I seriously doubt that's their desire.

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Dispite what you think the Oregon DOC would love to have empty beds. There is no way the tax payers want to continue to fund the cost of cronic users.

If they want empty beds, that's easily attained. Just legalize the substance that causes non-profits from collecting a paycheck by using scare tactics.
That'd save the taxpayers a bundle.
No profit, and it seems, no real results, either --- if they can't seem to empty those beds, ...... no doubt filled by the court systems.

Countries where substances containing THC are LEGAL, don't seem to be having the bed-filling problem. And some of those countries have little, or NO, alcohol abuse problems like we CONTINUE to have.
Imagine that and go figure.

How many deaths have been reported as a DIRECT result of THC consumption?
Compare that to alcohol consumption.
Now, tell me, who fills the most beds?
Ahhhhh, but alcohol is legal!
And, as a tax-payer, I ask, why?

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Again if you PM me I will give you all of the links I found on google.

Until you reach 50 posts, you can't PM me with that information.
Why do you assume I'm not already aware of the information, and misinformation, you'd provide me with?
Do you recall I've already mentioned that I've done a LOT of research on this subject? And, I might add, I did so with an OPEN mind. I wasn't predisposed to believing either side.
After researching the subject, I formed the opinions I have today.

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Originally Posted by oldcornbinder

AfterShock,

I went to that site you listed and I have to say that yes the use of HEMP can be very useful and has been in the past. I will spend the time reading the bulk of the information that he list but it does go far afield from my original post which is the long term effect of thc on the brain ie: loss of short term memory, reduced cognitive skills and it's reduction in reaction time.

If you contine to read the information about hemp, you'll learn that our gubmint keeps it illegal because folks might get high by smoking it, which, or course, they can't. Therefore, what our gubmint is tellin' us amounts to a lie.
But, what's important about telling us the truth?
Especially if the truth isn't of paramount concern.

It's ALL about money and PROFITS.
Follow the Money Trail ................................................
Our gubmint, after commissioning studies to find the harmful effects of THC, only to find out that there ARE redeeming benefits of using THC, and they pulled the financing for said studies before they were complete, and issued the statement that there are NO redeeming medicinal benefits from the use of THC ---- yet the pharmaceutical industries are spending millions of dollars in research to develop a synthetic THC, even though our gubmint tells us there's NO redeeming medicinal qualities contained within THC --- based on an INCOMPLETE research that didn't find what our gubmint WANTED to hear.
It seems the "facts" confuse our gubmint.
What's new?

And, I suppose those patients who find relief by smoking clinical marijuana are lying because they'll say ANYthing to "justify" using it? MAYbe, even GET sick, just so they can take a toke.
Ya reckon.

There are states that have decriminalized the use of THC after the voters made their wants known at the polls. Yet the federal gubmint refuses to allow terminally ill patients the relief they find in using THC.
How compassionate is that?

When THC WASN'T illegal, there was NO problem.
So, the gubmint invented a problem so they could solve the problem
THEY created.

The gubmint spends BILLIONS of dollars on the War On Drugs, and every year we hear that they need MORE money to continue their war, claiming it's a losing battle.
But the gubmint has no problem filling beds with "chronic" users, again, at tax-payer expense.

The FACT is, there are MILLIONS of PRODUCTIVE American citizens who partake in the casual use of THC. And, by gubmint definition, they're ALL criminals.
BTW, who defines "chronic use"?
Would it be the same gubmint that fills those non-profit beds?
It seems SOMEbody IS making a profit.

While the "chronic" use of alcohol continues, creating REAL problems.
However, those folks aren't criminals. They're just ill, because our gubmint deems alcoholism to be a disease, and THC use to be a problem.
How convenient, seeing as how the alcohol industry lobbies contribute millions, or is it billions, of dollars to political campaigns.

Believe whatever you want to believe, OldCornBinder.
As for me, I prefer the TRUTH.
How 'bout you?

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