Pro's and Con's of Super Singles

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Blackducati750, May 29, 2009.

  1. Bogey

    Bogey Light Load Member

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    I requested a cost for super singles from a reputable commercial tire service center and they gave me the following cost per tire not including rim cost >>>
    # 1. Michelin X ONE XZUS ( for urban/regional service ) Part # 28513 size
    455/55R22.5 only. ( diam = 42.2" ) $723.03 + 38.75 FET. sale price
    installed price for 4 = $ 3199.92 + 6% state tax. (on & off truck,
    dismount & mount on wheels, new stems & caps, FET & tire tax included )
    old casings = -15.00 if scrap and up to $35.00 credit if virgin and
    less than 5 years old

    #2. Michelin X ONE XDN2 ( for highway & regional service ) Part # 31535
    size 445/50R22.5 ( diam. = 40.4" ) $611.05 + 31.66 FET sale price.
    installed price for 4 = $ 2719.64 + 6% tax ( on off truck , etc )
    casings in this size have no casing value.

    #3. B F Goodrich ST565 ( ( for on/off road service ) Part # 42131 size
    445/65R22.5 ( diam. = 45.5" ) $ 602.08 + 41.58 FET.
    installed price for 4 = $ 2727.44 + 6% tax. ( on/of truck etc )
    casing , if qualify credit up to 50.00.

    #4. Not in request but if 455/55R22.5 is the correct size for your truck
    then the X ONE XDN2 is made in that size too. Part # 31535 , ( diam = 42.3" )
    Sale price = $ 889.57 + 35.44. Installed price for 4 = $ 3852.84 +
    6% tax ( on/off truck , etc )
     
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  3. REDD

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    So you have 1 super single tire weighing in at 190 pounds versus 2 standard tires weighing in at 130-140 pounds each! Look at the weight your saving right there.... Now add in the weight savings from only having 1 wheel versus 2!


    OK, I'll admit. I didn't read this thread. But I will kindly throw my 2 cents in about Super Singles!

    As soon as I can afford to put them on this truck, I'm going too!

    I ran Super Singles on my other truck. I got 348 thousand miles of the Virgin tires before I replaced them at 3/32 inch depth. They are lighter & improve fuel economy on the truck since you don't have that space in between the duels for wind drag & are leaving less of a foot print!

    As for what people say to where they won't hold to the highway in rain, ice, snow.... Well, most of that is hearsay! I never had an issue in the time that I ran them... And I ran them north, south, east, & west in all weather conditions!

    Now the tires I had weren't the same tires that CFI was running on their trucks! CFI had a low rolling resistant tire with highway tread... I can see where those can slip & slide! If your going to get super singles, then I would advise getting the tires with some meat on there bones!

    As for blow outs..... Any tire can blow out! If you don't monitor your pressure like 90% of the drivers out here or curb your tires a lot, then you will have tire failure. And yes, with super singles... If you have a tire failure your done...... Sitting on the side of the road!

    I WILL NOT SUGGEST RECAPPED SUPER SINGLES! Yes, they do cap them!

    If your going to do the switch... Go virgin, stop curbing your tires, & monitor your pressure! You will be happy with the switch & put a couple extra pennies in your pocket at the end of the year!
     
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  4. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    The biggest reason why tires blow out is improper inflation. I watch drivers use a tire billy or kick a tire and shake my head. I also watched one L/P driver I ran with from east coast to west coast use a billy and I asked him when we got to the receiver if he used a tire gauge. He said that he could tell the air pressure by thumping the tire! I bet him $20 dollars that he couldn't tell the pressure to within 10 pounds on his tires!

    He lost the bet and all 18 tires were at 8 - 21 pounds low! All kicking or thumping a tire does is tell you that there is air in there! If you don't stick your tires at LEAST 3 times a week and you own or lease that truck you are taking a high dollar risk! Not just in fuel savings but in the cost of that tire blowing because it was low on pressure! yes you should do it everyday but if the leak is bad enough you don't need a shoe, tire billy or gauge to see that it's going down!

    I ran recaps till they wore out because I kept the AP checked regularly. The same with those supers. Tire pressure is the most important thing you can do for your tires!

    I loved them when I had them on a truck and found them easier to maintain (less tires to stick!) and they handled just fine to me and were quieter. The trailer had the air system that kept the AP where it should be and that thing spoiled me! Now another thing I liked better with the supers was if you had 75,000+ miles on a set of duals and one blew it is a pain in the arse finding a used tire to match it's mate which will wear out the other tire faster as it will not ride evenly next to a tire taller or shorter. It's also easier to rotate supers than duals. Yep, I rotate every 50,000 miles even on a company truck!

    The only time I blew a super out was when I picked up a piece of that square mud flap hanger. It was still in the gator when I went back to pull it out of the road. I'll tell you one thing. They make a larger explosion than a dual! I darn near jumped out of the truck when it went!

    IMHO I liked the supers better than the duals as they were just easier all around to maintain and the savings in weight and fuel helped.
     
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  5. TIM DEWITT

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    Just came back from NY seen a truck sitting with super single flat he goin no where check your tires is all ill say
     
  6. tiresONtar

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    Hey Rollover you touched on something not previously mentioned yet obviously important. Since you have experience with supers, what is the sequence used for rotation?

    Thanks in advance,
    tOt
     
  7. Rug_Trucker

    Rug_Trucker Road Train Member

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    Never had a truck with super singles. I did drive 6x6 straight trucks a while. I drove a '72 Osh Kosh block truck. It had the 1673 250HP Cat hanging out front. You sat over the steer axle. I worked for this company and wrote up the driver side 24.5x gigantic Bridgestone every day. I could tell it had a broken belt. They wouldn't replace it. Got fired there. Went away for 8 months. Came back got my old truck back. Started writing that tire up. One day in the rain on I-75 it blew! It ripped the ladder off the head board, tore the bottom 3 inches off the back of the cab, tore the heavy welded sheet aluminum fender up. I went into the fast lane and rode it onto the shoulder.

    :shock:
     
  8. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    x pattern; RR to LF and back/swap, LR to RF and back/swap then the next cycle is front to back then the x pattern again and then front to back and that should take you to a new set or you might get one more rotation in there if lucky! 200,000 is actually pretty good and I've seen drivers get 250+.

    It all depends on how anal you are at checking AP's and looking for nails, cuts and rocks and staying off of curbs and speed on bad roads and if you drive through pot holes or try to miss them. A pot hole can ruin tires faster than you realize and can actually bend rims if hit hard enough! If anyone remembers how bad I-81 or I78 was in PA you'll know what I mean when I say "bad roads!" I saw a lot of trucks on the shoulders or limping along from falling into one of the small lakes in the roadway at speeds above low level flight! Been there done that! I totally bent a steer rim from hitting a pot hole at about 80. I learned real quick that speeding on a paved county road (called an interstate in PA back then) can ruin your day and cost a lot of money!
     
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  9. phroziac

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    theres just some places where you have to curb the tires to make the dock though....
     
  10. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    yeah but it aint hard to take two duals out at once either.

    I love it when companies take a blown tire off the rim of a dual and leave the rim on...hah.
     
  11. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    To be perfectly honest, the car is a 1990 volvo 245DL and thats just what i estimate for fuel cost.....20mpg is the absolute minimum i get.
     
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