Don't forget you had to walk up hill 5 miles both ways to school with no coats or shoes on in 5 feet of snow. Oh wait that was the "good ol days" i forgot everybody only went to school through 2nd grade back then so no big deal i guess.

Back then it was a very small percentage,today its NEW TRUCKS and Rookies killing folks and trashing others property. Run the stats and you'll find its a much higher ratio TODAY ! Ask any Policy Holder who is the highest risk in the industry today. 1-5 year Truck Drivers are higher risk then 16-21 year old males.

Call'em,the number is in your permit book!

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New trucks which are mostly owned by big monster carriers running cheap freight that don't allow them to idle so they may as well not have a/c just like the old ones? Hmm...

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Think we have a little more traffic out there than 20 or 30 years ago too though,I may be wrong.

This EXEMPTION is somewhat universal for ALL states:

(7) idling is necessary to operate defrosters, heaters, air conditioners, or other equipment to ensure the safety or health of the driver or passengers, or as otherwise required by federal or State motor carrier safety regulations;;

This means if you are on a Federally mandated HOS break, and in the truck, you are EXEMPT from the anti-idle ordinance. So in effect, anti-idle laws have nothing to do with OTR truckers.

Hey cynical sailor if you don't mind, can you tell me where you obtained this information, I sure would like to have it. Website name or manual name would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Does any one know anything about Rosedale Transport?

The one I posted is specifically from CA, but virtually EVERY state has this same exemption although it may be worded differently.

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On page 2 of this thread, ybeLegal has this same link posted.

I'm seeing that a lot of the complaints here are about company policies though, rather than state laws.

Some more examples:

IL. (c) Whenever weather conditions justify the use of heating or air -conditioning systems
for the welfare and safety of any occupants (or future passengers in the case of public
vehicles stopped in turn around or other such waiting areas) or when such 1ow
temperatures prevail that the startup of public conveyances or service vehicles might not
otherwise be feasible.

GA. (3) Truck or bus is being used to supply heat or air conditioning necessary for passenger safety or comfort, and such truck or bus is being used for commercial passenger transportation or is a transit authority bus or school bus, in which idling shall be limited to a maximum of 25 minutes; (Okay, but who's gonna stand there for half an hour to see if you go over 25?)

DE. ( Vehicles manufactured with a sleeper berth while being used, in a nonresidentially zoned area, by the vehicle's operator for sleeping or resting or in order to provide heat or air-conditioning.

CT. (b)When it is necessary to operate heating, cooling or auxiliary equipment installed on the mobile source wren such equipment is necessary to accomplish the intended use of the mobile source; (Sleeper Truck).

MD. (ii) When it is necessary to operate heating and cooling or auxiliary equipment installed on the vehicle;

NY. (b) Regulations adopted by Federal, State or local agencies having jurisdiction require the maintenance of a specific temperature for passenger comfort. The idling time specified in section 217-3.2 of this Subpart may be increased, but only to the extent necessary to comply with such regulations.

Bald Eagle. Here is the simple answer to your question. You can do things like we did before trucks had air conditioning as a standard option (1-3) or how things are now (1, 2, 3, and 4):


(1) Roll down the windows, open the vents and buy a fan that works off your cigar lighter socket;


(2) Buy a hammock and hang it under the trailer and sleep in it;


(3) Get motel room (most likely at your own expense);


(4) Plug into a truck stop electrification device (if and when available).


There are no easy, simple answers to this question. You do what you feel is necessary to get adequate rest during your down time. If this means idleing the truck in a no idle community, then be prepared to pay a fee to the community/state. Not saying every community/state enforces to the letter of the law, because some cops have a heart, but you must be prepared to "pay the piper" if necessary.

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