Doing a College Project over the Trucking Industry

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  1. Pwnm30rdi3

    Pwnm30rdi3 Bobtail Member

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    Hey everyone! I'm new here. My name is Andrew & I am 21 years old.
    I'm doing an Upper Level College Project over the Trucking Industry for my Business Class. I wanted to do something different. Most of the other students are focusing their projects on very generalized industries, I.E. Computer Programming or Architectural Work.
    The instructions for the project: Pick an industry and map out a very detailed business plan.

    That means I need to create hypothetical expense reports, find loads, find a tractor & trailer within budget, figure out how permitting works, ect.

    My Hypothetical Business: Heavy Equipment Hauling with own Authority (The business is to haul 2 weeks locally and 2 weeks cross-country every month, because who wants to be away from their family all the time?)

    So far I've found:
    Conventional Day Cab 1996 Pete 379 EXHD with a C-15 550HP w/ 18 SPD @ 850k miles for $35,000 ($5k Down, 4 year financed with great credit)
    1990's 50 Ton LowBoy with Brand New Tires for $15,000 (Paid Cash).

    Here is my monthly expense report so far:
    [TABLE="width: 211"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Cargo Insurance for $200k[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$275[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Truck & Trailer Insurance (1 Million Liability @ 21 years old)[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$1,600[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]IRP Tags for 25-30 States[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$250[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Gas Tax & DOT[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$150[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Maintenance Fund[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$1,725[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]New Truck Fund[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$1,550[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Truck Payment[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$700[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tolls[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$175[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tires & Oil Changes[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]$400[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    From what I gather, the average long distance Low Boy Heavy Load revenues about $5-6 per loaded mile
    Then I would have to factor in Permits, Motel Stays, Food, Diesel, & Monthly Expenses.

    The average local Low Boy Heavy Load revenues about $80-100 an hour + $ show up fee?

    What else do I need to know? What do I need to tweak? Any advice and/ or help would be wonderful!
    Thanks guys!
     
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  3. passingthru69

    passingthru69 Road Train Member

    Too little cargo insurance. Alot of brokers now are wanting 500K
    remember you are now wanting to haul the big stuff and they are not cheap.

    You find a lowboy that cheap and somethings wrong with it.. 1990 model has had a lot of stress put on her for all those years.. Rethink that. trust me breaking a trl. is not a fun deal. Had it happen..
    I think you might be a little low on your tag price.
    Also sounds great working 2 weeks home and 2 weeks over the road.. What do you do when the weather hits and you can not travel?? Still sitting with the load. Then the holiday cutoff times for oversize as well
    Do you really want to fiance a 1996 model truck for 4 more years?
    Yes I run a 1999 model but the ol girl is paid for..
     
  4. passingthru69

    passingthru69 Road Train Member

    Plus you have to have operating funds. Alot of customers will wait the 30 days or more to pay you.
    Then you get the one odd person who does not pay you.

    You will also need to get on the good graces of brokers. Remember you are a newbie to them.
    Get used to being lowballed by brokers and other truckers..
     
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  5. Pwnm30rdi3

    Pwnm30rdi3 Bobtail Member

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    This is great feedback!
    I'll factor in 500k Cargo Insurance, and bump up the tag price another $50 a month? (I used the Celtic Calculator to estimate my Tag fee's)
    I probably found 50-100 lowboys for under $20k on commercialtrucktrader.com. Can you send me a link to a used lowboy that still has lots of life left in it?
    So you wouldn't suggest financing an older truck? So I should hypothetically bring more capital to the table and buy both the trailer and tractor outright?

    As for the 2 weeks OTR & 2 weeks local work, I guess that could be more of a 'goal'. Your logic makes sense as I can't foresee the future.


    I factored in some wiggle room for operating funds, always need capital available!
    Right now I am using trulos.com to try and find "potential" loads. So far I've found a few good loads.

    I found a load from IN to AZ @ 1,750 miles & the pickup was on 9/23. The broker said the rate was $8500, not overweight just slightly oversized at 9' 6".
    I found another load from AZ to Iowa Called the broker and she told me the Rate was $7900 @ just a bit over $5 a loaded mile. It's a 44 ton load, @ 9' and 11" wide. I called all states from IN to AZ and asked what their prices on permits were. Most were around $25-$30 a state for oversized loads.
    Found the last load from IA to IN @ $2.5 a loaded mile, I think around $1300 (Not oversized or overweight, just a load to get me back home).

    So I figured roughly 4000 miles round trip and $17,700 before expenses & fuel?
    I think this could be done in 7 days best case, 9 days worst case.

    So that's $3000 in diesel
    Motel (Because DayCab) & Food Costs = $600
    Permits = $600
    & Monthly Expenses Factored above?
     
  6. 281ric

    281ric Road Train Member

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    Weight permits cost more than just dimension permits. Usually the more weight , the higher the cost. I don't do crazy weights and almost spend about a grand a week on permits.

    ps. I don't consider myself a HH and don't have that much exp as passing or a lot of these other guys
     
  7. Pwnm30rdi3

    Pwnm30rdi3 Bobtail Member

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    If I'm understanding what I read correctly usually it's 2-4 cents per ton - per mile. 44 tons isn't overweight though, correct?
     
  8. 281ric

    281ric Road Train Member

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    One last thing , my set up isn't that crazy , yet anything over 35,000 lbs will put me over 80,000 so I have to permit most loads for weight
     
  9. Oscar the KW

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    A couple of questions for you so we can better help.

    You stated in your post that you need to find a tractor and trailer within budget. What is the budget?

    The Peterbilt for $35K, is it a 3 or 4 axle truck?

    You are not going to put a 88,000lb load on a 50 ton trailer, the 50 ton rating is more than likely the weight of the cargo plus the weight of the trailer, this is not set in stone though.

    Can you provide us links for the truck and trailer?
     
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  10. Oscar the KW

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    Completely dependent on the state, some states don't charge anything extra for weight (within reason) and some will gouge you in the pocket book.
     
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  11. Pwnm30rdi3

    Pwnm30rdi3 Bobtail Member

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    So anything over 40 tons GVW is considered overweight?

    A daycab Pete 379 is what, 17,000lbs?
    A 50 ton low boy is, 18,000lbs?

    Leaving me with 20 - 22 tons of payload weight before having to pay for overweight permits?
     
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