Day and Ross: Don't do it Lease Ops.

Discussion in 'Report A BAD Trucking Company Here' started by Tam_Tam, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. Tam_Tam

    Tam_Tam Light Load Member

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    The mileage rates at Day and Ross are the same or higher than other places for the same lanes.
    Where you have trouble with this company is with the fuel and insurance rates.
    The paperwork on the bi-monthly statements doesn't include the original Fuel Purchase record from the cardlock. This means you don't have the verified pump price per litre from the provider. They set a rebate that fluctuates depending on what they decide per period is a fair fuel rate. If you are consuming more that they deem is appropriate for that period, they will charge you a little more per litre for your fuel.
    Day and Ross will collect fuel surcharges from the customers and rebates on volume from the fuel provider and buy themselves new trailers and upgrade their buildings with the amounts they collect. You may be left struggling with maintaining your truck and eating.
    The insurance rates have no cap and are charged per mile. Effectively, the more you run, the more of their policy you are paying.
    They will run you until you break, then look for more.
     
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  3. concdriver

    concdriver Bobtail Member

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    Don't see trouble with the Fuel Rates. It only works differently compared to some other companies. I used to work for a certain Trans Force company and on Day 1, they handed us a 10 page booklet showing FSC rates. They will deduct what you pay at the pump and then apply FSC based on what you paid at the pump. Day and Ross works differently. At the end of the pay period, they will say " Fuel price is $x / gallon" and will pay FSC based on $x / gallon. It is the same for the entire Fleet and it doesn't matter whether I buy cheaper Fuel or you buy cheaper. The entire fleet pays $x/ gallon and collect FSC based on $x/gallon. The only thing that matters is can you stay at 6mpg or better. If you can, the price of fuel does not affect you in any way. When the price goes up, so does your FSC. Your take home is always the same.

    If they are buying new trailers and upgrading their buildings, with the savings from FSC and rebates, I am not complaining as long as they keep paying mileage rates which are same or higher than their competitors. Isn't everybody doing the same.

    The insurance rate was increased recently by app 1cpm for the entire Fleet because they had too many accidents, and they said they can no longer absorb these costs. This I think is not fair because, If you are a safe Driver, you end up paying for accidents caused by others.
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2014
  4. casc1

    casc1 Light Load Member

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    Got to love "Dazed and Lost"......passed three this month.....all three in the ditch....kind of speaks volumes about the company now doesn't it.
     
  5. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I think this is the first complaint about Day and Ross I've read on here. Can anyone else corroborate it?
     
  6. concdriver

    concdriver Bobtail Member

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    They got 1500 trucks and HWY 11/17 is one of their major lanes. Eventually some of them will end up in a ditch. It has something to do with the law of probability. 4-5 years ago when we started seeing Challenger on these lanes for the first time, Every 4th truck in the ditch was a challenger. I don't know what they have done but now these Challengers stay on the Highway (If 11/17 can be called a Highway)
     
  7. Tam_Tam

    Tam_Tam Light Load Member

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    They don't pay a good wage. We moved to Manitoulin and doubled the take home after cost... and we're still only keeping $60/hour before truck maintenance and payment. Where are these good paying jobs, like seriously.... If it helps I can dig out some old Day and Ross statements from 2010 and post them. You'll be doing about 15 bucks an hour.
     
  8. Tam_Tam

    Tam_Tam Light Load Member

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    Just looking through these old statements here... I had a separate file for short paid because it happened every two week settlement.
    ok so gross on 13358kms (all turnpike rate (their highest rate), because this is what we did edm-wpg)
    gross: $13707 (<--- k, should be a red flag right here for us ops, less than one dollar per km gross hauling TURNPIKES)
    deductions: 587.10 insurance, 19.21 for the satellite, 126.22 for health ins., 141.39 for licences, 5624.36 for fuel.
    total net: $7,208.72 for 4.75 trips to wpg and back ex edm.
    0.53 per km net statement
    Still owing: truck payment, maintenance, repairs, tires, etc. after this take your wage.

    RTL company pay for Rockies to Yellowknife (roughly same distance ex Edm)
    per driver roundtrip: $550 each
    Every two weeks: $5,500 pre taxes average, $4,650 average net.
    0.63 cents per km net.

    Manitoulin team lease op to Whitehorse:
    4000km round, .46/Litre fuel cost avg:
    keep $3,000 avg per trip after fuel, insurance, lic. (incl yk plate)
    about 0.75 cents per km
    then take your payment, maintenance, repairs, tires and wage.

    Back to the first original post: Manitoulin's rate on their contract is about 0.80 per mile less than Day and Ross' rate on their contract. Where they get you is fuel.
    No wonder OODIA survey showed company drivers are making more than lease ops.
     
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