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    Quote Originally Posted by Tip View Post
    You can have your free market, boys. I'll take a strong central government anyday. You're either ruled by the government or ruled by companies such as CRE. Either way you're ruled by a devil. I'll take the devil whose interest it is to watch out for everyone. Not the devil who watches out for just a few and says to hell with everyone else, including those hard workers who make that devil's world go round.
    Now Tip, I'm with you most of the time, but statements like that are where we part company.

    Granted, our system may not be perfect, but it's better than most. And until somone comes up with something better I'll certainly be glad to stick with it.


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    Understood, Mack

    Understood, Mack. We sure have gotten far off course here. This is my view, and I'm trying to figure out how to link it to this thread. But let me yak a little more here and I'll put it to rest.

    I get really pissed off when I hear about good people who are just trying to live day to day get burned by the system. These people don't do anything to deserve what they get. A strong central government would give them a safety net.

    You have to understand, Mack, I've been to many a foreign country, countries where things are a lot different, and the workers a lot more secure. I'll probably get married in one of those and get dual citizenship. This will allow me to escape the USA for good if I want/need to.

    Let me give you an example of why I want to make that "escape". Medical care in the USA is one of my pet peeves, oh yes. In one of these countries, I once had two wisdom teeth extracted (with surgery), got a colonoscopy, and got an endoscopy. The hospital was clean, manned with people who knew what they were doing, and the wait time was almost zero. Total cost of this in the USA would have been around 3500 bones. My cost (no insurance was used) was 25 bucks for the wisdom teeth and about 90 bucks combined for the endoscopy and colonoscopy.

    And 3500 is too low. I bet these procedures would have run over 5,000 in the USA. I remember I got a cortisone shot in the USA about 10 years ago and it cost me 100 bucks. I had to wait 30 minutes on the doctor, and the shot took 4 minutes. That would have cost me 2 bucks overseas with no waiting.

    People love to spout off about how good the USA is, but 90% of those don't have passports. They've barely been out of their home states, let alone to a foreign country. They believe what others tell them, such as the USA press. There's more to the story than what Fox News or Rush Limbaugh will tell you. I recommend you go get a passport, get on a plane, and go see how other people do it. If you then still think the US is the "best", I will stop being skeptical. But I know you'll have your eyes opened if you do that. You'll go back to the US saying something like 'Man, we gotta change this', especially the medical care. The US needs to go to a system like that in Great Britain or adopt a socialized medicine scheme. Medical care in the US is not viable, and before long, you'll need to go overseas for simple physical exam if you're working class. It'll cost you a couple thousand for a simple blood test. No thanks. The system is gonna change soon or I'm gonna go overseas, get married, and kiss it all goodbye.
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    I think we have something in common, Tip. The only reason I want to do this, for example, is to get up enough dough to permanently leave the country. I would consider property before marriage, unless you already have a foreign sweetheart. I've never had one, that's for sure. My only sweetheart is a little out-of-the-way country very far from here where the living is cheap and worthwhile....so that's what I keep at the forefront of my thoughts when I am discouraged, which is frequently. I still have not even been behind a wheel. Same in every profession, though: instead of training, you're given paperwork. At Swift, they might've better apportioned our time and theirs by taking five or even ten of us outside at a time and showing us what's under the hood. Instead we'd sit there for two hours at a time listening to a sermon on how much money we'd make, but not to blow it on chrome and stereo equipment (both of which the kind old gentlemens' trucks could boast); five days in, they herded all sixty of us outside for fifteen minutes, tilted the cab, and one soft-spoken instructor pointed (with a pointer) at some anonymous oily black mechanism while we craned our necks and shuffled around.

    Anyway, there is every reason for escaping this country, the biggest being that poor nations grant a better sense of freedom than one strangling itself with insurance policies and the like. You can have teeth pulled, lips inflated, burst kidney removed for under $300 in most South American nations, with the same level of hygiene, efficiency, and personal care. Then you can walk around with a beer. Without a paper bag. And if you want, hop on a motorbike and keep drinking while you zip through alleys and honk at chicks. And without anymore representation or participation in government than you have here, naturally! Let no one say that is not real freedom. For what we are allotted in life, it's good enough, and most Americans don't make much better use of their time than that anyhow. There are countries on this planet that will not strip search you before letting you in. The women will be kind to you and are not "gone wild". The people look like each other and not like a chaotic mess of types. Where you can walk down the street and not worry about meeting "thugs" and huge trucks roaring past you at 60mph. Where a meal still costs under $3, a hotel room less than $30, and so many other beautiful small things that are just an immense relief to someone who's been reamed their whole life by high prices in exchange for misery.

    But people don't want to make that step; they're homebodies who think every other country but "Murrca" is to some degree "Third World" or just "hates Murrcans". 90% of them, as you aptly put it, don't have passports, wouldn't know how to get them and where to go if they had them, and their kids couldn't name one river in Europe; the other 10% is divided between people who realize the world is a cool place and desperately want to explore it, and government officials. I don't fault them for being "regular folks", though. It's just how they are, exaggerated by administrative lies and popular prejudice. It's enough for most people to have a clear path in life, a house, in a nice safe little community, insulated from the dysgenic rot of the cities slowly encroaching upon their territory.

    My pet peeve though is credit. The credit system is a kind of shadow criminal record which grinds people into nothing, having given them every temptation to sin while they were innocent. But, that's capitalism for you. It won't change.

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    I know it won't change, brother

    Excellent post, Mr. Lentini, and I know you're right. Sounds like I'm not the only one around here who has figured out the truth.

    Let me tell you--I've just hit the tip of iceberg with my posts. I don't really let people have it because lots of folks won't be able to handle it. It's like the UFO/alien thing. People may not be able to handle the truth, the truth that the US isn't the best thing since sliced bread after all. Yeah, I could tell all about how the USA really works....and make a ton of enemies, although I'd be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.

    I know the USA won't change. Too many leeches who enjoy freeriding the labor of hard-working people would lose if that happened, and considering the freeloaders vote in much larger numbers than lower-class working people (is it any wonder election day is on a work day?), we can expect the status to remain "quo" for the next 50 years.

    You're thinking of leaving the old red, white, and blue? Good. I've already gone, man. I've been gone for over three years now. I was back in the states for about six months last year, but I don't plan on going back for anything other than weddings and funerals for the next 30 years.

    Trucking opened my eyes, not to mention living in Utah for about 8 years, and my brain took it from there. What I've seen in other countries makes me wonder why I didn't leave the US of A like 15 years ago. I've noticed the same things you've noticed, and then some. I was in Laos not long ago (remember Laos is a communist country) and I felt just as free as I would have if I'd been in Iowa. No one was waiting around every corner to say to me "papers please" and no one was being watched by "big brother" there. This made me think long and hard. I even thought back to my trucking days in the "land of the free", with the DOT and the feds ready to pounce.....hoping for and even wanting me to #### up so they could bust me. No, I saw nothing like this in Laos.

    Some countries I've been to are under the US thumb more than others, but overall, one does not see the "dog-eat-dog" mentality in these other places. I like that most of all. If I ever have kids, I'll make sure they grow up outside the US. It's so cool to watch kids in places where the people are genuinely happy and don't have to worry about where their next paycheck or even meal is gonna come from. The government makes sure no one loses. Hell, in the US, there are homeless vets begging for food. Maybe if the system ensures they're homeless, they can't qualify for benefits. It's probably something like that, I'm sure. Talk about a callous place. You don't see that crap anywhere else, at least nowhere I've been.

    What I also like about some of the places I've lived has been the fact I don't understand the language. This allows me to watch TV, look at signs, and listen to the radio and not be subconsciously mind-###### by propaganda. There are no Rush Limbaughs or Fox News spewers of sewage where I've been. If someone is trying to sell me something on the TV where I go, I don't know it. I can't describe how great it is to be able to dodge the marketing ######## that does nothing but try to control me and even rule me when I'm in the US.

    Stalin ruled the old USSR with an iron hand, and the US is ruled in a similar way. The only difference is the elites in the US are smart enough to rule in very subtle, sneaky ways so no one realizes he is being ruled with an iron fist.
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    Amen. The more slowly the rot progresses, the less people notice, and the more time they have to come to terms with it.

    So where did you go? do you mind sharing? You could PM, if you want. I'm always curious about this sort of thing.

    Another thing I've noticed is that poverty isn't as desperate elsewhere. Northern countries have a deep psychological abhorrence for destitution; it is the opposite of everything northern peoples value -- wealth, comfort, warmth. So the homeless here are generally crazy, wildly unkempt, or vicious: they're completely alienated. Elsewhere, though the economic contrast can be just as stark, there isn't that dehumanization, and the laws are flexible or the local government corrupt enough to allow shanties to spring up where the poor try to live like humans. You can't do that here. You can be homeless, degenerate, and accept the handouts of guilty do-gooders, but there is no room anywhere to build a place to sleep and boil water. There is even a certain joie de vivre in many homeless men I've met in other countries, which, from what I read in old American literature, "bums" apparently used to have here. Now the social atmosphere is just too rich, orderly and egotistical. Hell, I've been homeless in foreign countries and had a great time -- while here it is the lowest rung of hell to be homeless, exactly in proportion as we live for money.

    I don't have any experience with a presently Communist country, but I went to eastern Germany a few years ago, Sachsen specifically, and though tangible remnants of the era are limited to buildings, the attitude of the locals was eerily guarded. But I liked it -- everything was cheap and no one bothered me. Communism is worth the brief period of respite, the gray area of Post-Communism, between both systems.

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    I've been all over

    So true. In the US, the laws are written by the well-to-do who don't know what it's like to be poor. As a result, the laws don't fit too well, at least for those who may need to build a shanty to live in. Being homeless in the US has become a crime in some places, which is unfortunate. Many a truck driver is probably only one paycheck from being homeless. This is by design, of course. Desperation makes one a harder worker.

    As far as my situation goes, I've been all over. I've been to many places and gotten so many different visas that I had to go to a US embassy and get passport pages added. It's good to go to places where there are no machines...only the sounds of nature. I like the tropical countries most. It's nice to live in a place where the winter is about two days. And on those two days, the temperature gets down to a bone-freezing 55 degrees at night.

    In the US, you'll be screwed by the system AND freeze your ### off in the winter. No thank you.

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    If someone could make a thread in an appropriate place, I'd like to hear more about how you plan to make a move, what kind of company you hook up with, maybe what the cost of living is. Interesting. I always thought as a trucker, I could relocate anywhere, but never thought outside of M Erica

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    There are plenty of things you can do

    There are plenty of things you can do. You don't have to drive the rigs. I don't, and probably won't ever again. I CAN see a scenario where I would actually drive 18 wheels again--if I hit the lottery. In that case I'd buy my own rig, probably even a small fleet of rigs, and roll onto the roads again. Then I'd be the true boss and wouldn't lose my job when I told somebody "no, I'm not going to <fill in the blank some BS move you're expected to do daily for very little, or even NO, compensation>. I don't drive anymore because I know on my first day I'll have to tell somebody that, and I may get fired for it. And I'm definitely a guy in my older age who will tell somebody that in a split second.

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    yeah. I dont work there and never will

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    Tip, I like reading your posts and all, you have alot of good info and I don't take your advice with a "grain of salt." I do take issue with your apparent hostility towards the Mormon religion....I am not a mormon, I am a Catholic, but I cannot tolerate someone browbeating another because of their religion. I know plenty of Mormons who aren't money hungry....(I supposed you think the same of the jews right? since were stereotyping) and work hard just as any other person does for what they have. One thing about this country is the right to practice any religion you want to and be free of persecution for it.....

    Not trying to start a flame war, but I can't PM yet and I needed to get that out there.

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