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browneyes661 · **^ Top** #41 03.18.2008

Sorry you had to learn the hard way. Just be thankfull you got out before you were put into financial ruins. We will probably be dealing with CR England for the next 20 years!!! You got out just in the nick of time.

Tip · **^ Top** #42 03.18.2008

The driver's oath:

(Raise your right hand)

I, (your name), shall not work for any company that advertises constantly for help. Such outfits mistreat their drivers somehow which causes those drivers to quit in large numbers. I, a person who understands the driver animal, know that drivers don't act like cattle unless there is a good reason behind it.

(For those who don't get it, repeat 500 times.)

Cabhappygal · **^ Top** #43 03.18.2008

Dear BJohn920 - Thanks for your response/question. I was sure the young man in the back seat would back me up. But he was a local kid, I was from far away - and guess what? He was a relative of the Instructor. So no, my witness was not helpful in my defense.

t_wilson0321 · **^ Top** #44 03.18.2008

You know, it really doesn't surprise me the amount of absolute morons that are supposed to be trainers and teachers nowadays. I read all this stuff about instructors who are jerks, trainers who are positively cro-magnon man or pigs on two feet, and I am so thankful that when I went to driving school sixteen years ago all my instructors were great. My trainer with North American was great. I guess I was lucky.

I went to school in Ohio, over by Dayton. My first husband and I went together. Well, we weren't yet married when we went, but got married while we were there. He was physically abusive. Yes even before we were married. If you've never been a woman beaten, well, all I can say is you have to live and learn. It took me three years to learn. At any rate, we were in our fifth week of a six week course when he beat me so bad that some of the others there at school with us had to take me to the hospital because they thought he broke some ribs and an arm and cracked my skull when he beat it on the concrete. X-rays showed serious bruises on my bones. We were still out doing road driving and were scheduled to take our license tests that week. I was bruised so bad I couldn't work the clutch, I couldn't even shift the truck. I could barely even climb up in it. When we came to school the following Monday, one of the instructors and half the students had to be physically restrained from beating him bloody for laying a hand on me. Never hit a woman. Our instructors were also state licensed to give the actual driving exams. They knew I couldn't do it, that it was too painful. But I went out for my road test. With the same guy that was going to kill my then husband. I made a lot of mistakes. But I passed anyway. He knew I could do it as I rode in the same truck with him every day on our road trips. I was just too severely bruised to be able to do it well at the time of my test. The bruises didn't fade for almost eight months if that tells you anything about how hard he beat me. It was also the last time. I had the marriage annulled.

When I went to NA right out of school and got with my trainer at the end of that week, I told him about it, and that I was still in a lot of pain and didn't know if I'd be able to drive yet. He was cool with it. He only let me drive for a couple of hours a day till I started getting my strength back and the bruises quit hurting so much. I spent six weeks with him. Learned alot, and he was always a gentleman. Always opened doors for me, never let me walk across the truck stop lot alone at night, and most of all, never hit on me or tried anything with me. And even let me cry it out of my system about the ex.

I guess I got so lucky.

Tip · **^ Top** #45 03.19.2008

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Originally Posted by t_wilson0321

You know, it really doesn't surprise me the amount of absolute morons that are supposed to be trainers and teachers nowadays. I read all this stuff about instructors who are jerks, trainers who are positively cro-magnon man or pigs on two feet.....

No ####. So called "instructors" being complete ##### by yelling at students, reaching into the dash area, and giving unsafe directives like passing slow-moving vehicles in questionable areas.

We complain about outfits that will allow those with only six months' experience to be trainers. Experience isn't the only thing we should be looking at, by the rumblings here. Somebody with experience may or may not be a good trainer, company evaluator, or safety head.

AfterShock · **^ Top** #46 03.19.2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tip

No ####. So called "instructors" being complete ##### by yelling at students, reaching into the dash area, and giving unsafe directives like passing slow-moving vehicles in questionable areas.

We complain about outfits that will allow those with only six months' experience to be trainers. Experience isn't the only thing we should be looking at, by the rumblings here. Somebody with experience may or may not be a good trainer, company evaluator, or safety head.

How very true, Tip.

Actually, I've known driver trainers with less experience than their more seasoned counterparts who have made better driver trainers than the, so called, "more experienced" drivers and driver trainers.

Some folks are better at instructing than others. It takes patience and a calm mannerism. Often, I think, the more seasoned driver trainers have forgotten what it was like when THEY were first learning. While a trainer with a year or two experience can, and does, still relate to what it was like.

Also, when a company sends newbie trainees out with a "trainer" for a few weeks, or more, that "trainer" isn't necessarily there to "train" the newbie HOW to drive, but rather to polish a newbie who should have already been graduated from the driver "training" classes. They're there more to instruct a newbie how that particular company wants things done.

What pickles my peppers is when a driver trainer uses a trainee to run the Big truck like a team operation to increase their paycheck. I just don't understand how ANYone can "train" a trainee from the bunk while asleep.
Some trainer's goal is to produce a quality product -- that being a new driver ready to successfully meet the challenges of a new career, while others are greedy and only see another log book to rack up more miles, thereby increasing their take-home pay.

Some trainees learn quicker than others, and some require an additional investment in time and supervision. It takes what it takes, and a GOOD driver trainer SHOULD be willing to do whatever it requires to see the job to the end. Adjust techniques when and if necessary. One size does NOT fit all. A GOOD trainer understands that.

Actually, being a driver trainer is a learning experience as well. When I was a driver trainer for a few years, I made sure I kept an open mind, and, as a result, I actually learned more than a few things from my trainees -- things that I still reflect on to this day. I thank THEM for that. It was a fair trade, IMO.

My reputation was that of being the "mellowest" driver trainer in the company. As a result, I had a waiting list of newbies egar to ride and learn with and from me.
As an added bonus, being an UNmarried trainer, I was asked to take mostly female trainees. What an opportunity to experience the industry from a different perspective. I can truthfully say that the female perspective taught me MANY valuable lessons, and made me a much better driver and driver trainer.
Quite often, they were much better at handling the problem customers than the male drivers, which sure came in handy.

I was fortunate when I first started driving a Big truck, in that my trainers were excellent. But I also realize not all trainers are of the caliber that mine were. I guess I was blessed. And I count my blessings and try to return them -- two for every one I receive. That makes me feel good, so maybe I WAS in it for myself, just a tad.
Ya reckon.

Baack · **^ Top** #47 03.19.2008

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Originally Posted by t_wilson0321

You know, it really doesn't surprise me the amount of absolute morons that are supposed to be trainers and teachers nowadays. I read all this stuff about instructors who are jerks, trainers who are positively cro-magnon man or pigs on two feet, and I am so thankful that when I went to driving school sixteen years ago all my instructors were great. My trainer with North American was great. I guess I was lucky.

I went to school in Ohio, over by Dayton. My first husband and I went together. Well, we weren't yet married when we went, but got married while we were there. He was physically abusive. Yes even before we were married. If you've never been a woman beaten, well, all I can say is you have to live and learn. It took me three years to learn. At any rate, we were in our fifth week of a six week course when he beat me so bad that some of the others there at school with us had to take me to the hospital because they thought he broke some ribs and an arm and cracked my skull when he beat it on the concrete. X-rays showed serious bruises on my bones. We were still out doing road driving and were scheduled to take our license tests that week. I was bruised so bad I couldn't work the clutch, I couldn't even shift the truck. I could barely even climb up in it. When we came to school the following Monday, one of the instructors and half the students had to be physically restrained from beating him bloody for laying a hand on me. Never hit a woman. Our instructors were also state licensed to give the actual driving exams. They knew I couldn't do it, that it was too painful. But I went out for my road test. With the same guy that was going to kill my then husband. I made a lot of mistakes. But I passed anyway. He knew I could do it as I rode in the same truck with him every day on our road trips. I was just too severely bruised to be able to do it well at the time of my test. The bruises didn't fade for almost eight months if that tells you anything about how hard he beat me. It was also the last time. I had the marriage annulled.

When I went to NA right out of school and got with my trainer at the end of that week, I told him about it, and that I was still in a lot of pain and didn't know if I'd be able to drive yet. He was cool with it. He only let me drive for a couple of hours a day till I started getting my strength back and the bruises quit hurting so much. I spent six weeks with him. Learned alot, and he was always a gentleman. Always opened doors for me, never let me walk across the truck stop lot alone at night, and most of all, never hit on me or tried anything with me. And even let me cry it out of my system about the ex.

I guess I got so lucky.

Its almost hard to believe
What a jerk
Glad you made it alive and away from him
I hope he didn't do this to other woman

t_wilson0321 · **^ Top** #48 03.19.2008

Actually Baack, he did do it again. The next gal he married he beat so bad she had a miscarriage. Then she left him. For another woman. She went lesbian and never came back. To me that's the funniest thing. Real blow to him. Last I heard he was in jail for a few years.

Muleskinner · **^ Top** #49 03.20.2008

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Originally Posted by t_wilson0321

Actually Baack, he did do it again. The next gal he married he beat so bad she had a miscarriage. Then she left him. For another woman. She went lesbian and never came back. To me that's the funniest thing. Real blow to him. Last I heard he was in jail for a few years.

You talk about a major kick right square in the gonads.If you turn your Ex into a lesbian(not that theres anything wrong with lesbians

(unless they beat you up that is

) that would have to be a man killing thang.Unless they both called you when they were really lonely.

lol

Baack · **^ Top** #50 03.20.2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muleskinner

You talk about a major kick right square in the gonads.If you turn your Ex into a lesbian(not that theres anything wrong with lesbians

(unless they beat you up that is

) that would have to be a man killing thang.Unless they both called you when they were really lonely.

lol

No the lesbian is her x husbands x wife

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