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Old 05.08.2008
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If I may interjdance , I beleive the qualcomm, is connected with the ecu that is triggered idle time when the air brakes are disengaged.

Not just sitting at light or stuck in traffic.......
Oh GEE!
That changes EVERYthing!
Doesn't it?

The marvels of modern science (that also tells us how important PROPER rest is).
What's next?
Nitrous Oxide powered pace-makers?

Give me a brake, break.
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Then why not bust THEM for over-idling?
Nobody in the Big truck when it's idling --- pay the piper.
This ain't rocket science. You must be into power naps instead of restful sleep. Would you consider keeping your heart ticking a "mechanical issue"?


In your rush to be sarcastic you, and RobW missed my only point.
It was my intent to point out that "I" use to see plenty of "just because" idling. If a driver is going to be "AWAY" from the truck for more than five minutes, turn it off. I agree that when it is hot/cold it maybe neseccary to idle for comfort, or to run tv, computer, microwave, etc..

My hee-row!
Are you aware of the fact that IdleAir is about to go belly-up broke? Whatcha gonna do then, O/O?
Sweat & freeze with the peasant company drivers?

Yes, I am aware of their financial troubles. However, with their new flat rate options for payment, the loss of any significant $$ is minimal. Again, when its to hot/cold I too will idle my truck. My engine has an auto idle feature to help reduce idle time, much like an APU. I set the thermostat and the electronics do the rest. This in turn helps keep idle time low and me comfortable. Does the trk turning off/on bother me while I sleep? Mostly, no. I use ear plugs.

YeAH!
But more than likely, the company will just realize higher PROFITS.
Thank yew very much, driver.

My point exactly! And if a company is worth anything they will pass on those profits, in the form of a raise to the driver, the people who helped obtain those profits. Whether or not they do, is not my point!

Perhaps, the companies need to realize that when most drivers signed on the dotted line, "no-idling" WASN'T in the fine print. Can a company Big truck truck driver change THEIR rules, mid-stream?
Should they?

It's their company, they can do what they want. Yes, it could, and probably, hinder their ability to hire and retain quality drivers.

Big difference when the shoe is on the OTHER foot, ain't it?
SOME might consider that breach of contract. Gee ----- ya reckon?

Did not know that company drivers were under any type of contract. Maybe you can educate me on this? The times I was a company driver I never signed a contract. Only filed out an application, and if hired, signed a piece of paper stating that I read/understood emplyee hanbook, and would abide by it.

And, to make matters even WORSE --- there's a VERY simple solution to this situation ----

Raise the damn freight rates!

I completely agree! Except I'm not sure how that would make matters worse.
So simple ---- even a caveman could do it.
Ya reckon.
If a caveman could do it, they wouldn't be extinct! Ya Reckon?
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If a caveman could do it, they wouldn't be extinct! Ya Reckon?
In my "rush to be sarcastic" I think I didn't miss the point. Rather, I ran into it.
However, I also think YOU missed MY point about raising freight rates.
Although, I'm positive the increased costs WOULD be passed on to the consumers. That's about the ONLY thing that I figure would 'make matters worse'.
But, what does THAT matter, as long as there are PROFITS to be made off the sweat of company Big truck truck drivers?

Second-Class citizens and illegal aliens, one and all.
So, no sweat.
HeY!

I just thought of sumthin'!
Imagine that!
Now imagine the powers that be makin' sweatin' illegal.
Problem solved.
No?
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I'd like to point out to whomever it was that said that we should stop whining because military trucks don't have A/C should think about the fact that the jobs are different.

Military trucks (and drivers) are expected to be sent anywhere in the world on a moment's notice. This means, then, that their support infrastructure has to move with them too. Which would make the most sense to take: spare alternators or spare A/C compressors? Remember, you have limited weight and space availability.

If that weren't the case, odds are pretty good that the military still wouldn't have A/C - it's cheaper to buy and operate trucks without it.

HOWEVER - there's the matter of expectations. When you jump into any military rig (truck, tank, Humvee, etc), you do not expect to see A/C - you knew when you signed on that Things Will Be Different. They are, in lots of ways, both big and little. You might get shot at. You WILL have to take orders. You WILL get a haircut. You will NOT have A/C in your trucks. You exist under the same environmental strictures as everybody around you - including your command structure. You volunteered for this. You signed a contract. Provided you don't do something incredibly stupid, they can't fire you, and you get a guaranteed paycheck. After a relatively short time, a pretty good one, too, when you consider the other benefits (free food, free housing, free medical...)

Joe Trucker, on the other hand, looks around and notes that virtually every other vehicle on the road comes with A/C as standard equipment. He has the expectation that his tool of the trade be comparable to every other. He does NOT have to take orders. He does NOT have to have a haircut. He DOES have A/C in the truck. He (more likely than not) WILL get fired. He does NOT have a guaranteed paycheck. He does NOT live in the same environment as his command structure - nor does he share the same environment as the rest of the civilians. He doesn't have anybody designated to protect him, so sleeping under his truck (or in a ditch nearby) isn't a good idea. In fact, it's probably illegal in most places. Out of a check that's numerically similar to somebody doing the same thing in the military, the civilian has to pay for food, a place to sleep, medical, etc. In other words, he actually makes a heck of a lot less than somebody in the military.

To compensate for that crappy paycheck, the truck driver can reasonably expect to be allowed to USE his A/C or heater when he's driving. If he is (effectively) required to live in his truck, he can reasonably expect to use his A/C or heater when he's NOT driving, as well.

I would suggest that, since this expectation is being legislated away, a substitute be legislated right back. If a truck driver is not allowed to idle his truck, he can stay in a motel and send the bill to the damn state.

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Oh - for the person who pointed out that military live in A/C barracks and the like... yes, this is true. Usually. Except when they are deployed. In such cases, these people are living in tents or even sleeping under their vehicles or in ditches in all manner of situations and weather. Odds are NOT good that they have A/C - or even a daily shower. (You've not lived until you've spent a week sleeping under a fallen tree, eating... things you find on the beach)
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If a caveman could do it, they wouldn't be extinct! Ya Reckon?
Well, there is some controversy here..CaveMAN still exists. You are talking to a bunch of them right here. In fact, you are one.

Or, do you mean "Neaderthal"? There's some indication that what I said above is STILL true. In other words, as a cousin branch of homo sapiens, they could, and did, cross breed. Which means they are still with us - if you doubt it, just take a look at Hillary some day.

Then there's Cro-magnan - which is our direct ancstor.. so, yup, still here

Then, philosophically, there's this way to look at it. We're STILL cavemen - in the true sense of the word. It's just that our caves are more sophisticated and artificial.

Ook ook!
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If I may interjdance , I beleive the qualcomm, is connected with the ecu that is triggered idle time when the air brakes are disengaged.

Not just sitting at light or stuck in traffic.......

And you would be incorrect.

QC comes with a 3 function idle sensor. Low, Intermediate, and High. Some companies use all 3 to break down the idle times. Most just get the totals.

Low Idle = sitting in traffic, at lights, etc.

Intermediate Idle = Short term idle of "user defined" perimeters, usually 2-5 minutes depending on the company.

Long Term idle = User Defined perimeters, most companies that use the variables, set it at the 5 minute plus mark.

The sensory is fully capable of detecting the spins on the drive line. Brake release is a none issue.

Covenant & SRT use drive line spin detection. Been there, done that, own a couple of the T-shirts.
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Then, philosophically, there's this way to look at it. We're STILL cavemen - in the true sense of the word. It's just that our caves are more sophisticated and artificial.

Ook ook!
OhCHIt!
Not to mention all the "improvements" to that "big stick" we carry while walkin' softly.
Walkin' Stick?
Hmmmmmmmm

That reminds me of a Leon Redbone song.

But,.................. I digress.
Again.
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Oh GEE!
That changes EVERYthing!
Doesn't it?

Just pointing out a misconception.............. or maybe not
HAHAHAHA
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