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They all suck!!!!!!!!!!!

to whom that are not living in a dream world,
my own opinion is the trucking world with common everyday carriers is the worst i have ever seen it.it is beyond horrible and almost as low as whale s____!!!!...
it disgusts me to think coming from a long family tradition dating back to the 20's,this is what it became.my family members would role over in there grave to no this is what it became.
i started driving with my dad in 1972 and got my lisence in 1986 in new york.i have credentials dating back to 1986.safe driving,no tickets,no wrecks,haz mat certified,doubles,triples,tankers,and flats.over 1 million safe miles logged and even certified to train driver{not that i really want to}...i have honarable discharge from 2 branches as a truc driver.i have trucked canada,overseas and usa and i am cleared by us goverment.
i am not boosting my altered ego like i do on the c.b. What i am getting at is i never in my life seen a bunch of crap like this.
the carriers are destroying good men and woman truck drivers.the business has broken every labor law set forth in our great country and borders abusing people who drive there trucks.i have watched this and even picked up ex drivers abandoned in middle of no where by there companies.they lie,cheat,withhold money,dont pay you,con you,threaten you,report lies to dac and the list is endless of the abusive nature that these common carriers do to there workers.
i have learned my lesson the hard way and after working so hard to do the right thing in this business i have surrendered to the enemy {common carriers}..
i can tell you war stories about all i have been through in the last 5 years.but you all have heard it.what i have done is i am working ltl with a nationwide company and home everyday and make $21.00 with outstanding benifits for my family.i have protection as an american worker and rights like i never had with a common carrier.i lost 30 lbs and i am slowly starting to enjoy a real life as a normal human being and being treated as a true decent americian hard worker.
i say surrender to the common carrier and no what they really are.let them starve and go out of business. Take the jump and work local.i actually make more money and work less.enjoy your kids every moment and your loved ones.i will never ever in this life time work for these low down abusive,lying coward common carriers again.its nice to be a trucker again after 5 years of hell..
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This man speaks the truth.

How did this result? Easy, from the past 25+years of a failed philosophy called conservatism. Let the markets sort it out they say. Well the markets are based on one thing, the bottom line. That means a company's ONLY goal is to do it as cheap as possible and charge as much as possible for it.


Where does that leave the worker? As an asset to be used until a cheaper replacement can be found. Companies only care about workers as far as it helps there bottom lines.


Do I believe in capitalism? Sure, but it needs to be well regulated with strong oversight to ensure a more equal division of profit between the partnership that creates it(labor+capitol).

The Laissez-Faire system we have been moving toward for the last quarter century is coming home to roost with the economic crisis we are now in the mist of. What is happening now is the same that has happened throughout history when markets have been left to their own devices. The rich get richer and the rest of the people are left holding an increasingly empty bag.


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This man speaks the truth.
No not really.
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How did this result? Easy, from the past 25+years of a failed philosophy called conservatism.
Conservatism is to blame? Liberal conservatism? Libertarian conservatism? Cultural conservatism? Religious conservatism? Fiscal conservatism?

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Let the markets sort it out they say. Well the markets are based on one thing, the bottom line. That means a company's ONLY goal is to do it as cheap as possible and charge as much as possible for it.
Well, you got that one thing right. Why would a company strive to do something more expensively than they could? Companies that do not maximize profits aren't around very long.

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Where does that leave the worker? As an asset to be used until a cheaper replacement can be found. Companies only care about workers as far as it helps there bottom lines.
It also leaves the worker free to move on when the current situation he finds himself in no longer meets his needs. A company pays a worker for labor he performs.

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Do I believe in capitalism? Sure, but it needs to be well regulated with strong oversight to ensure a more equal division of profit between the partnership that creates it(labor+capitol).
Equal division of profits? that's not quite capitalism. Try socialism.

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The Laissez-Faire system we have been moving toward for the last quarter century is coming home to roost with the economic crisis we are now in the mist of. What is happening now is the same that has happened throughout history when markets have been left to their own devices. The rich get richer and the rest of the people are left holding an increasingly empty bag.
This economic crisis was brought on by people believing they were entitled to more than they actually were. A $250,000 house on a $35,000 annual salary is not what I would consider Laissez faire.
Maybe if people would stop complaining about their "lot in life" and actually do something, by themselves, to improve it, this country might not be in the financial mess it is in.
Stop blaming others and take care of yourself.
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Conservatism is to blame? Libertarian conservatism? Cultural conservatism? Religious conservatism?
I'll take those 3 for 500 alex.

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Well, you got that one thing right. Why would a company strive to do something more expensively than they could?
Because they are forced to by the social contract formed by "We The People" known as government.

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It also leaves the worker free to move on when the current situation he finds himself in no longer meets his needs. A company pays a worker for labor he performs.
Yes, but in a unregulated marketplace all situations will eventually no longer meet his needs because everyone will be in a race to the bottom to see who can pay him the least.

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Equal division of profits? that's not quite capitalism. Try socialism.
Go back and reread my post, I said a more equal, not exactly equal. You really think it should be acceptable for a CEO to make 500 times what the average worker does? BTW, I AM A SOCIALIST. I believe that people should come first and profits second, always.

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This economic crisis was brought on by people believing they were entitled to more than they actually were. A $250,000 house on a $35,000 annual salary is not what I would consider Laissez faire.
Then you don't know what Laissez Faire capitalism is then. It's a market place virtually or completely free of rules. Ever heard of the term Liar's Loans? Builders where in on it because they where making a killing. Agents where in on it because they where making a killing. The banks where in on it because they where making a killing. Don't blame the hard working guy trying to live the american dream that bought into a slick package of goods sold to him by much more highly educated huckters.

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Maybe if people would stop complaining about their "lot in life" and actually do something, by themselves, to improve it, this country might not be in the financial mess it is in.
Stop blaming others and take care of yourself.
But it was these "Others", corporate leaders and politicans from both parties that built the house of cards that is currently imploding around us all. When will people finally wake up and realize that we are all interconnected. We each prosper the most when we all prosper. Yes, everyone should do their best to help themselves, but what is really that wrong with making sure that in exchange for him playing by the rules and working hard that he'll have a living wage, health care, send his kids to college and be able to retire in dignity.
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Division of profit? Oh heeeeeeelllll no.
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So you're a socialist. Bravo.

Most socialist systems have failed miserably. Capitalism is the only system that allows for people to compete and to achieve the opportunity to better themselves and reap the rewards.
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SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK!
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Or put another way, the instant you give the government control of production is the instant the population runs the risk of starvation and the prices running out of control.

Hey this should be in the political section!
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Because they are forced to by the social contract formed by "We The People" known as government.
Nobody is forced to work anywhere

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Yes, but in a unregulated marketplace all situations will eventually no longer meet his needs because everyone will be in a race to the bottom to see who can pay him the least.
Exactly, and when the wages get so low the worker refuses to work for them what happens? Nothing gets done or wages rise to a point where the worker is satisfied.

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Go back and reread my post, I said a more equal, not exactly equal. You really think it should be acceptable for a CEO to make 500 times what the average worker does? BTW, I AM A SOCIALIST. I believe that people should come first and profits second, always.
Can you eat people?

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Then you don't know what Laissez Faire capitalism is then. It's a market place virtually or completely free of rules. Ever heard of the term Liar's Loans? Builders where in on it because they where making a killing. Agents where in on it because they where making a killing. The banks where in on it because they where making a killing. Don't blame the hard working guy trying to live the american dream that bought into a slick package of goods sold to him by much more highly educated huckters.
You said it, not me. Get an education.

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But it was these "Others", corporate leaders and politicans from both parties that built the house of cards that is currently imploding around us all. When will people finally wake up and realize that we are all interconnected. We each prosper the most when we all prosper. Yes, everyone should do their best to help themselves, but what is really that wrong with making sure that in exchange for him playing by the rules and working hard that he'll have a living wage, health care, send his kids to college and be able to retire in dignity.
Since when are, living wages, health care, college educations and dignified retirements the responsibility of anyone other than the person himself?

All of those things are earned, not given. That's what is meant by the inalienable right of "pursuit of happiness", you'll notice is says "pursuit" not guaranteed.
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"living wage, health care, send his kids to college and be able to retire in dignity."

All of these are virtually impossible under socialism.

Especially retiring with dignity.
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