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rookietrucker · **^ Top** #61 03.11.2009

Please stay on the topic of the thread and not attack each other. Thanks, The Staff

bigblue19 · **^ Top** #62 03.11.2009

I am suspicious when it comes to carriers cutting pay. In my mind many carriers have been saying how expensive it is for them to hire new drivers. Yet in a time where supply is greater then demand they want to cut pay and keep hiring new drivers? It just does not make sense. If they where showing quarterly loses and a high debt to income balance I could see it. But it seems to be more of a opportunistic endeavour.

The proof of their intentions will be realized when the economic climate improves, yet the reduced pay rate remains. Driver pay cuts should be a last resort after all else has been reduced. Not a means to improve your bottom line

Stump · **^ Top** #63 03.11.2009

I agree with you Bigblue. But you know just as well as i do there is other ways to cut cost, but its just the easy way out by cutting drivers pay first with the bad economy and more people in need of work. You not going to see C.E.O.'s cut there bouns pay. I would like to know what office staff has had there pay cut at all these big companys. I bet none of them have, I could be wrong.

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #64 03.11.2009

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Originally Posted by Stump

I agree with you Bigblue. But you know just as well as i do there is other ways to cut cost, but its just the easy way out by cutting drivers pay first with the bad economy and more people in need of work. You not going to see C.E.O.'s cut there bouns pay. I would like to know what office staff has had there pay cut at all these big companys. I bet none of them have, I could be wrong.

I've worked in the office for carriers that cut drivers' pay and the office staff had theirs cut too. Werner and a lot of the carriers have let a lot of people go, didn't just cut the wages, got rid of the office people. They are the ones who usually go first. If you work for Werner why don't you ask someone how many people have been let go, I think you'll be surprised at how many are gone.

BadMotherTrucker · **^ Top** #65 05.03.2009

I just got my first paycheck, 262 miles and got 34.06 for my mileage pay. That's .13c per mile! I thought I was starting at .21-.24c, so where did it all go? At least I did get my bonus and reimbursed for my trip down to the terminal. If it were'nt for those, i'd have nothing this week.

Starchdoggy · **^ Top** #66 05.03.2009

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Originally Posted by BadMotherTrucker

I just got my first paycheck, 262 miles and got 34.06 for my mileage pay. That's .13c per mile! I thought I was starting at .21-.24c, so where did it all go? At least I did get my bonus and reimbursed for my trip down to the terminal. If it were'nt for those, i'd have nothing this week.

Are you running team? If you are then you only get half what they say they pay as it is split. If you are solo I would be talking to your fleet manager to see what is up. If they have dropped the pay that low for solo then they must think that people are really dumb.

Best of luck

RizenPhoenix · **^ Top** #67 05.04.2009

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Originally Posted by bigblue19

Driver pay cuts should be a last resort after all else has been reduced. Not a means to improve your bottom line

WAKE THE #### UP!

SOP for any company is to keep labor costs as low as possible in order to maximize the bottom line. Pay is like any other economic factor, it's driven by supply and demand. Right now the supply is high and demand low for drivers, thus allowing companies to suppress wages and improve their bottom line.

If the economy lights on fire we may very well get to the point where the demand for drivers exceeds the supply of qualified drivers. Then and only then will pay rates begin to climb, not out of the goodness of the heart of trucking exec's but out of a need to fill more seats to move more freight to again improve the bottom line.

alot-to-learn · **^ Top** #68 05.05.2009

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Originally Posted by badsey

If Werner drivers are willing to take a cut in pay in order to give their CEOs private jets to travel to Branson, Vegas, Bahamas etc. -they should be commended, because not even GM can do that anymore.

I would be honored as "a lowly trucker" to have my CEO travel like that and in such extravagence. I will gladly take my Werner 20cpm and live in my truck. We need to sacrifice for the few that really make this industry work. As a trucker you must learn to be humble and obedient at all times. -Put yourself last and you will be happier in life.

wow my sarcasm detector is going of the scale

alot-to-learn · **^ Top** #69 05.05.2009

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Originally Posted by Steele

Alan, dont take this personally, but you are full of it. Other half has been working for them for 18 years. Nearly EVERYTHING you say isn't true.

First, no you DO NOT make .15 or .20 a mile... its not much more however if you have no experience. During training, the student gets a flat salary, although not much, and the trainer gets the students miles. Werner did however, cut pay back about 8 months ago on OTRs.

Previously Werner did cut back on single OTRs and switched to team OTRs leaving the loads at a yard. Then pony express the load to a yard where a shag driver would deliver the load locally. They have stopped that. There arent too many more shag deliveries unless you work at a DC/yard, and the drivers are now again taking the loads from the shipper to the receivers.

Rate of pay per miles depends upon the account you are on and the miles you drive. My other half gets the same mileage pay whether hes loaded, bobtailing or deadheading.

As for miles, again depends upon the account you are on. My other half runs 2700-3000 per week.

If you are under a load and breakdown, you do get breakdown pay.

And no, the execs did not split a one BILLION bonus..... decimal point and all ya know. As for Greg, he's had his bike shop for years.. that's nothing new.

Try again...... thanks.

As for other comments about Werner and government money, that part is true. They get grants that pay for the students they train because of the "driver shortage".

Additionally I have a suggestion for any Werner driver. Do not take Safeway loads unless you have to. Safeway hand counts... in other words... 8-10 hours to unload...... can you say Macro 11? (I think it is..... +/- for delayed by shipper.)

close, it's mac 4 actually. there is another customer to watch out for, walgreens, it took them 4 hrs to unload a 1/4 of a trailer in wisconsin and 8 hours to unload a full trailer in PA. the only place it didn't take all day was waxahatchie TX but the load was bottled water.

I still do a shag from time to time, but not as often as I used to.

I'm pretty sure they take much better care of drivers that "have payed thier dues" (18 yrs WOW) it was a different company back then. I have almost two years in and I still get treated like a red headed step child from time to time.

I talk to as many drivers as I can and hand out recruitment cards to for the O/O I work for. many are not seeing much for miles and the same goes for a paycheck. OTR solos are hurting.

even experienced guys don't fare well in my first six months I met a guy with 10 yrs exp, he lasted all of 7 days and was quiting. I asked why he was at werner with all his experience, he was going to train his g/f to drive but she had a change of heart and went home. he decided to give werner a chance he spent one night in a corn field (he said) no bathrooms or food and got ran straight to jersey and ran 3 shags in a row. told his dispatcher he was quiting got put thruogh to the superviser who begged him to do one more shag and he would get him a good load. he agreed and got a load to florida out of the northeast 1200 miles. I stopped him there and said 'let me guess the split it off of you after 100 miles?'

he said no 'they let me take it 250 miles then split it off me'

alot-to-learn · **^ Top** #70 05.05.2009

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Originally Posted by bigblue19

Their website says .352 (0-1year). So why are you only getting .26?

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Yep it was more like 1.26 million in bonuses in a recession for the top 5. Which ain't bad considering they have drivers running OTR for .26 a mile. Guess the recession kept them for taking more?

Clarence L. Werner
Chairman of the Board $715,000 $350,000

Gary L. Werner
Vice Chairman $355,000 $230,000

Gregory L. Werner
President and Chief Executive Officer $720,000 $350,000

Derek J. Leathers
Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer $369,000 $230,000

John J. Steele
Executive Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer $210,000 $100,000

they can get away with saying 35.2 because of all the dedicated accounts they have sears, target, office max, dollar general, family dollar, budweiser as far as I know all pay 34 cpm. (higher pay for regional miles I suppose) .26 for OTR van division .25 if you sign on for per diem, they keep the penny a mile for administrative fees (thats what I heard, they only pay you .25 per mile thats for sure)

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