this shutdown of the engine will never happen. the computer can have a brain fart............this you know from operating your own pc...........wanna trust your life to a pc shutting down your rig.........??

it WILL NOT FORCE change from the shippers/recievers. what in God's name would you do if the shipper has "street only" access to the loading docks.........?? start blocking streets...??? what if the shipper/reciever has only enough room to get one truck into the yard, or has a small parking lot that the employee's can't even fit all their cars in there...??

and yes, they CAN WAKE YOU UP, YOU'RE ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.......!! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE............

and YOU WILL CARE if you get towed away, especially when your company fires you for obstructing a customers business.........

rookies...........sheesh...........get a grip on reality, will ya........??


charging back to the customer won't work, they'll just get another trucking company who's drivers can get off the property.

at least you "see" something now.......too bad you were "blinded" by the real world earlier.........

You seem to be forgetting that i'm not the one who is blocking the driveway, IF the EOBR Restricts the Driver from moving the Truck... and EOBR's are made Mandatory by congress, well for 1 I wouldnt be fired, i would have no control over the situation, 2 yeah they can find another carrier who will have the same electronic device mine has because it is mandatory and the same thing will happen,


This is also a Hypothetical solution to a PROBLEM and i didnt say it was the Golden Answer to all of our problems, i guess if your against Progress in improving working conditions of truckers across america then you would react negatively and shoot down suggestions, when you could be using constructive criticism or even Brainstorming ideals that Could improve the Situation (which is all i did i suggested maby there could be a way to make the EOBR's Restrict movement with the truck) instead of saying it will never happen, because It will never happen is the biggest lie of all

IF there is one thing i learned in the Army it is Change is The Only Constant it just takes time and Ideals to make change happen, and if you choose not to participate well it may just take a longer time.. I may be a rookie but that Doesn't mean I'm not a Trucker and not Affected by poor working conditions that i would like to see improved? whats wrong with improvement?

My ideal my not be in Reality because it hasn't been Conceptualized just like before plains were invented I'm sure people told them to live in reality but they chose to follow a ideal and look what it turned into, this may not be on that scale but it is an ideal for change it may not work but maybe someone can come up with something better that can work

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you would/could be fired for not having your hours available to do the run, and then run out at the most inopportune time, and that's when you (or anyone else) is disobeying a direct order from the customer to leave the property. remember, in trucking, we as drivers are basically the one 'real person" any customer see's, so we represent our company, and NEED to comply with the customer, otherwise, there are dozens of other companies that are more than willing to take the business away.......


its a "hypothetical" solution that will not take place, given the complexities of every situation that the EOBR cannot percieve on its own. one of which is the customers demands to move away and off the property.....

"Change is inevitable. Change is constant."...... that's a saying that's been around for a while, too bad the army had to teach you that, not your school teacher or family. as for "my choosing" to change or not is not at issue here, as "change will happen", afterall, its "constant".........i have no control over that, neither does anyone else...........

which "plains" are you talking about.......?? flying "Planes"......or the "plains" of the southwest........???

if its "flying planes" then yeah, they were probably thought of as nuts.

if its "plains" of the southwest............i think god "invented" those.......



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If I may interject something here, if you are ordered to go somewhere else to sleep and you are out of hours, you can legally do it. You just have to log it on line 4, and don't leave town. If you cross the limits of the municipality you are currently in, you have to go to line 2. Find a spot IN TOWN that's out of anybody's way, log off and take your break. You can be ON DUTY for as long as needed after your 14/70 hours, you just cannot drive after those hours.

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I was wondering when someone was going to point this out.

If you are not moving out of city limits then any travel time can be logged in line 4, this doesn't matter if it's rush-hour, after 11, after 14, after 70.

However, there are cases where this rule does not work, not a federal level of disallowance... but a Carrier level. SNI does not allow drivers to do ANY kind of work after the 70, if we do, we can get fired. But, that point is moot as we are talking about the 14hr rule here. The real downside to doing this is that you have to start your 10 all over again which can make you late for pickup in the morning.

As to pro1driver's consistent advocation of the consignee's mistreatment of us, I am shocked that anyone who calls themself a professional driver would actually support this crap that comes out of the mouths of "powertripping" dock supervisors. Your points about the reciever not having space don't really apply here, as anyone with that limited of space will not dilly around unloading you, they need to keep it moving.

Yes, the driver could run out of hours while it's happening, but in a situation like that he/she would move anyway. We are not blind to something so obvious as lack of space for us. Not all of us are so inconsiderate.

The issue at hand is the fact that he WORKS FOR WAL-MART!! Maybe not directly, but he still does. If you've ever been to a wal-mart DC then you know that 90% of them have far more than enough space to let the occasional truck break for 10hrs. (I don't want to hear any "rhetoric" about letting one means letting them all either)

The problem is that the places with all the space in the world are the ones making these retarded rules, and yet the ones that have limited space are almost always willing to let you find a corner.

Oh, and YES those devices to disable trucks WILL make their way into use. No beeping is going to stop an illegal driver, eventually they will stick a screwdriver through the speaker lol. What I think they need to do is make a device that prevents the truck from starting up again after being shut off by the driver. Also include a program that disallows the truck from moving forward after one of the three following things happens: 1) opti-idle is engaged, 2) The engine shuts off due to lack of opti-idle usage, 3) Either one of the red or yellow buttons being pulled (applied).

That would prevent the truck from shutting down in a dangerous situation, as well as prevent the driver from continuing simply by not "shutting down."

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You can also make the program ignore the parking and e-brakes in a low-air situation while moving.

Simply making it ignored under a low-air situation would make drivers "bleed" the air to allow the truck to be started after going inside for a potty break.

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you obviously haven't been to my part of the country, and that's New England........SPACE IS TIGHT.........

yes, a shipper/reciever will "dilly" a driver around, try it some time. there are more "dilly-dallying" around than you can ever imagine. no dock worker, union or not will be "forced" to hurry up and get you loaded or unloaded up here, unless its near quitting time, and at those times, you may have to return the next day for the completion of your load, believe that, or not, frankly, i don't care.

i have personally witnessed a driver that was sleeping on the property of the pharamcutical store CVS up here, and he woke up late, yeah, a lousey 10 minutes. he "missed" his gate time. he was told to call his dispatcher and make another appointment. i could hear his dispatcher yelling at him over the phone. he HAD to come back the next day, and actually LEAVE the property as well.........

i do not "advocate" the mis-treatment of drivers, heck, i'm one too, right........?? i am stating some facts from "up here", a place which you seem to know nothing about, but care to give your unwanted 2¢ worth.

"power-tripping" dock supervisors are everywhere, except maybe "la-la' land" where you personally drive through............

the shipper or reciever has rules you, i, and ALL OF US, must follow. if you are told to get of the property, what part of that rule(s) don't you understand...............????????

you call yourself a "professional truck driver", but you seem to disregard the customers rules and regulations.......i follow them. let them be "power-tripping".........what do i care, i follow THIER RULES, not my own, regarding THIER PROPERTY..............

i think you need to go back to school and learn more about "following the rules" a bit more before you embark on your next "la-la-land" adventure............

The company I work for does not allow drivers to park in any of there dcs overnight. I know when I was shuttling trailers I was the one who had to go wake drivers up and tell them to move. The company has several reasons they do not allow drivers to stay even though there is plenty of room. The bottom line is it is private property you don't like it oh well. It is unfortunate but it is part of the job.

uh...huh...........

that's what i face each time a trucker comes onto the property after the recieving dept is closed. the drivers are tired, and my heart aches for them, as i drive too, and "been there, done that"............nothing would please me more than to allow them to sleep there.

but i am a "3rd party" contractor and i gotta follow the rules my customer gave us to pass on...............

it ain't my property, but the CUSTOMER'S............follow the rules, pure, plain, and so very simple.............wouldn't you say........?? (you already did, a rhetorical question from me)...........

AT 12:00am i was awaken by a walmart LP employee telling me "Hey this is private Properity, your not allowed to take your DOT break here and i told Him BULL**** Its a Federal law that i take my 10 hours off you cant move me besides i'm a dedicated driver and nonething in my contract says that i cant stay here, and there isnt a Single Sign posted

before he could say anything i slammed my Truck door in his face and went back to my sleeper with my motor carriers atlas and called us xpress while i looked up the number to the Deleware DOT to get an officer over to escort me to a safe haven and someone a pricy ticket in the process for moving me...

I am just a little curious, what would happen if you were out of hours and the shipper, or receiver was still requesting that you move along. Are you by law required to move, or can you decline because you are out of hours?