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Old 02.10.2007
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If the shipment is less than 1,001 lbs., in most instances, it is considered "non reportable" and requires no placards. Therefore, many shippers and carriers don't even consider the shipment to be "hazmat", and treat it like general freight. Not correct thinking, but convenient.
You're partially correct: yes, most HM, under 1000 lbs, doesn't require placards. HOWEVER, HM must still be listed on the bills, and the driver must have those bills in case something should happen (accident, trlr fire, etc).
Truckerjaw is right, certain types of HM require placards, no matter how little you may be hauling (radioactive,Explosive,Poisonous gases).

TDC, this post got me reminiscing, back when I was doing P&D for ground, we not only had to bring in our P/U sheets, but also any HM paperwork AND the actual HM packages to our dispatch office. After the paperwork was checked (to make sure it was in order), the packages were then palletized to be loaded on outbound pups (on the rear, so they would be removed first). This was done , I'm sure, to keep track of the HM and to keep it from getting mixed in with general freight.
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Old 02.11.2007
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Actually tdc, HM packages are supposed to be labeled on four sides (at least that was the reg when I was driving for ground)
I thought labels in TWO sides of the actual package were required, while, of course, placards are required on all four sides of your truck.

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If the shipment is less than 1,001 lbs., in most instances, it is considered "non reportable" and requires no placards. Therefore, many shippers and carriers don't even consider the shipment to be "hazmat", and treat it like general freight. Not correct thinking, but convenient.
Not necessarily. Just because you're carrying a quantity of a hazardous material that doesn't quite require placards, does NOT mean they will let you through either one of our tunnels with it.

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This is true most of the time, but in my examples 11 pallets of lighter fluid is way more then 1001lbs of 'flammable 3', the stacks where over waste high.
Funny thing about 11 skids of lighter fluid. If it weighs more than 8800 and something pounds, which 11 skids obviously does, and it is the ONLY freight loaded on the truck, you are required to show the ID number on the placard as if it were a bulk shipment.

A bulk shipment is a container that holds 119 galons or more of a liquid. Totes hold about 300.

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Also any amount of radioactive or explosive like my other example must be placarded (this is my understanding anyway).
Not necessarily. What you are referring to is called "Table 1"

With radioactive freight, the only shipments requiring placards are those designated as "Yellow III" on the labels, as opposed to "White II" or "Yellow I". This is to differentiate between certain types of radioactives, like reactor fuel rods or weapons-grade Plutonium, as opposed to something relatively minor like Cesium-137.

With explosives, class 1.4 is table 2, which is subject to the 1001 lb rule, while class 1.1 to 1.3 is table 1.

Also, class 1.1-1.3 explosive and radioactive yellow label III shipments are highway route controlled, meaning you must have a written route plan in your possession issued by the company.

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Also no matter what the situation the bills still have to reflect it regardless of placard requirements. If I'm off on any of this please let me know.
No, you're right. ALL information about the shipment must be on the bill.
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Old 02.17.2007
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placarding incorrect

I personally havent had any occasion that the shipper attempted to smuggle hazmat into a load but have had hazmat loaded and provided with the inappropriate placarding.
I literally had to argue the point with a shipper in mississippi a few years ago before leaving the account to provide me with the correct placarding. Helps immensely to have
knowledge of the hazmat manual. From what I've heard its a heck of a fine if you run into
a dot officer who know his p's and q's on that issue.
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There are hazardous substances that don't require placards, metallic nickel powder is one that I've hauled that doesn't always, it does require keeping it away from water, as it is exothermic. I was given placards for it and couldn't find it in the current book of regulations, I'm not sure what I should have done with it other than refuse to haul it. Hindsight is always better than not knowing what to do.

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Fred Meyers tried to sneak on almost 900 pounds of white fuel, propane cans, lighters and matches onto a drop and hook load without telling anyone. Fred Meyers is now on my list of places I'd like to choke people at.
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A different spin...

Here is a different spin on Hazmat loads and the DOT

Had a buddy who was hauling for a major auto parts store. Had a drop & hook load set for export to Puerto Rico. BOLs stated he was hauling battery acid (a Hazmat load that was placarded correctly). He was stopped for inspection, but when DOT cut off the seal they found cookies and candy (that were NOT listed on the BOL) also in with the battery acid. This resulted in a $250 fine for the driver!

When he called the company to #&#&$, they informed him that it was his fault -- that it was his responsiblity to know what he was hauling and he should have gone inside the shippers and asked the supervisor to cut off the seal so he could verify his BOL with what was inside the trailer!!!

Apparently this company was trying to save a few bucks on the taxes/tariffs associated with exporting the cookies and candy!

Talk about injustices to drivers... this has to be about the worst case scenario.
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i guess this is more for the fak haulers but i was wondering how often it happens that a shipper tries to sneak hazmat on a load with out telling any one. Its happed to me 2 times and every one i have talked too says it has never happened to them.

The first was a load i was pulling out of the scg yard south of columbus back when they contracted out most of there freight. I was sealing the trailer up and saw a blue barrel just thrown in with radioactive placard stickers on it. It wasn't on the bills so i explained that if something happens i'm screwed. I have my hazmat endorsement but choose not to pull radioactive or explosive and my company backs me. When i complained some guy went out and scrapped the stickers off with a knife and told me to go. Instead i backed up to the dock and made them off load and show me everything.

The other time was a pre-sealed load of bridgford charcoal that when i delivered i found 11 palets of lighter fluid inside that wasn't on the bills but the final was expecting it.

How common is this sort of thing. With more and more shippers pre-loading trailers to make these 90% drop and hook companies happy and/or not allowing you on their dock how are we to be responsible when dot decides to take a look inside? Or am i really just un-lucky and this isn't that common at all.
make sure your seal is intact and the shipper has signed the paperwork,you need to be able to read thier signature,and then maybe the officer won't take you to jail
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I'm told that "Shipper loaded and sealed" will help - never experienced it myself
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**SNIP**I was sealing the trailer up and saw a blue barrel just thrown in with radioactive placard stickers on it. It wasn't on the bills so I explained that if something happens I'm screwed. When I complained some guy went out and scrapped the stickers off with a knife and told me to go. Instead I backed up to the dock and made them off load and show me everything.**SNIP**
I am not a driver yet, but I think at this point, I would have stayed at the dock and called the local Police or DOT and have that guy arrested or something. What an ##### wipe!

Regarding the pre-sealed trailers; do you think it would make good practice to have the shipper break the seal for inspection and then reseal it once your done? Seems to me that if this were your normal policy (perhaps company policy), over time it might help reduce this type of thing from happening.

Am I wrong?
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