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Little do most of you know, your basic duty as a driver is to get freight from point A to point B. This lumping crap is all A sham.... and also ILLEGAL! Please read the following:

LOADING AND UNLOADING MOTOR VEHICLES
TITLE 49 UNITED STATES CODE
(49 U.S.C. §§ 14103 (a) and 14103 (b)

Effective July 1, 1980

The Motor Carrier Act of 1980, Section 15, "addresses the problem that some motor carriers and owner-operators have had with being coerced by so-called 'lumpers' into paying to have their trucks loaded and unloaded. . .regardless of whether the trucker is willing to perform the services himself."

"For example, the practice of lumping is often permitted, if not encouraged, by companies who own the loading docks. This allows these companies to avoid having to do the loading or unloading themselves. Further, shippers or brokers who arrange for the transportation services often refuse to reimburse the trucker for the lumper payments. . .Similarly, an owner-operator under lease to a regulated carrier may have difficulty getting reimbursement for such expenses from the carrier."

"The purpose of this provision is not to suggest or endorse any particular apportionment of loading or unloading responsibilities between and among shippers, receivers, carriers, and owner-operators. In fact this is...[believed] that this apportionment of responsibility is a market decision to be determined by the parties to the transaction. Further, it is not...[intended] to change the situation where a carrier's tariff does not specifically mention loading and unloading charges but instead includes them as part of its line-haul rate. Accordingly, where a line-haul rate in a tariff includes loading and unloading, or where, as a matter of practice, the tariff has been construed as including compensation for loading or unloading, the law or practice remains unchanged.

"What this provision is intended to do is make it clear that the parties must agree among themselves who has responsibility for the loading and unloading and how much compensation that person should be paid for that service. Further, where the person arranging the transportation has agreements with both the receiver and the trucker and those agreements are inconsistent, the parties may wish to place responsibility on the person arranging the transportation for any losses that occurred as a result. . .Similarly, where an owner-operator is leased to a regulated carrier. . .the lease [should] specify the responsibilities of the carrier and owner-operator regarding loading and unloading, including compensation."

(Excerpts from 1980 H.R. Rpt. No. 96-1069, 96th Cong., 2d Sess., pp. 30-31)

§ 14103 (49 U.S.C. § 14103 reads:

(a) Whenever a shipper or receiver of property requires that any person who owns or operates a motor vehicle transporting property in interstate commerce (whether or not such transportation is subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission under sub chapter II of Chapter 105 of this title) be assisted in the loading or unloading of such vehicle, the shipper or receiver shall be responsible for providing such assistance or shall compensate the owner or operator for all costs associated with securing and compensating the person or persons providing such assistance.

(b) It shall be unlawful to coerce or attempt to coerce any person providing transportation of property by motor vehicle for compensation in interstate commerce (whether or not such transportation is subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission under subchapter II of chapter 105 of this title) to load or unload any part of such property onto or from such vehicle or to employ or pay one or more persons to load or unload any part of such property onto or from such vehicle, except that this subsection shall not be construed as making unlawful any activity which is not unlawful under the National Labor Relations Act or the Act of March 23, 1932 (47 Stat. 70; 29 U.S.C. 101 et seq.), commonly known as the Norris-LaGuardia Act.



"This section addresses those situations where the trucker is subjected to extortionate practices regarding the loading and unloading of his or her truck. It does not apply to the activities which are lawful under the National Labor Relations Act or the Norris-LaGuardia Act. for example, it does not apply to threats to strike or picket, or to the actual engaging in strikes or picketing." (1980 H.R. Rpt. No. 96-1069, 96th Cong., 2d Sess., p. 31).

PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF RULES RELATING
TO LOADING AND UNLOADING

The penalty for violation(s) of §14103 can be found in the FMCSRs under Appendix B to Part 386, (g) Violations of the commercial regulations (CRs) number (14). It reads, "A person who knowingly authorizes, consents to, or permits a violation of 49 U.S.C. 14103 relating to loading and unloading motor vehicles or who knowingly violates subsection (a) of 49 U.S.C. 14103 is liable for a penalty of not more than $11,000 per violation".

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Chart Bar This activity is also ILLEGAL!

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I work as a yard jockey for burris refrigirated logistics in milford De and i have to say that this is one of the biggest scam in the trucking industry. The guys who unload these trucks are my coworkers and they do not work for an outside company.However burris charges the drivers or o/os about $150 to unload the trucks using electic pallet jacks in 30 munites. We get about 100 trucks a night x6 times a week=$90000. That pays the laborers etc. Basically this pays for everything in the recieving department. What an easy way to make money.
Little do most of you know, your basic duty as a driver is to get freight from point A to point B. This lumping crap is all A SCAM.... and also ILLEGAL! Please read the following:

LOADING AND UNLOADING MOTOR VEHICLES (AKA The Norris - La Guardia Act)
TITLE 49 UNITED STATES CODE
(49 U.S.C. §§ 14103 (a) and 14103 (b)

Effective July 1, 1980

The Motor Carrier Act of 1980, Section 15, "addresses the problem that some motor carriers and owner-operators have had with being coerced by so-called 'lumpers' into paying to have their trucks loaded and unloaded. . .regardless of whether the trucker is willing to perform the services himself."

"For example, the practice of lumping is often permitted, if not encouraged, by companies who own the loading docks. This allows these companies to avoid having to do the loading or unloading themselves. Further, shippers or brokers who arrange for the transportation services often refuse to reimburse the trucker for the lumper payments. . .Similarly, an owner-operator under lease to a regulated carrier may have difficulty getting reimbursement for such expenses from the carrier."

"The purpose of this provision is not to suggest or endorse any particular apportionment of loading or unloading responsibilities between and among shippers, receivers, carriers, and owner-operators. In fact this is...[believed] that this apportionment of responsibility is a market decision to be determined by the parties to the transaction. Further, it is not...[intended] to change the situation where a carrier's tariff does not specifically mention loading and unloading charges but instead includes them as part of its line-haul rate. Accordingly, where a line-haul rate in a tariff includes loading and unloading, or where, as a matter of practice, the tariff has been construed as including compensation for loading or unloading, the law or practice remains unchanged.

"What this provision is intended to do is make it clear that the parties must agree among themselves who has responsibility for the loading and unloading and how much compensation that person should be paid for that service. Further, where the person arranging the transportation has agreements with both the receiver and the trucker and those agreements are inconsistent, the parties may wish to place responsibility on the person arranging the transportation for any losses that occurred as a result. . .Similarly, where an owner-operator is leased to a regulated carrier. . .the lease [should] specify the responsibilities of the carrier and owner-operator regarding loading and unloading, including compensation."

(Excerpts from 1980 H.R. Rpt. No. 96-1069, 96th Cong., 2d Sess., pp. 30-31)

§ 14103 (49 U.S.C. § 14103 reads:

(a) Whenever a shipper or receiver of property requires that any person who owns or operates a motor vehicle transporting property in interstate commerce (whether or not such transportation is subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission under sub chapter II of Chapter 105 of this title) be assisted in the loading or unloading of such vehicle, the shipper or receiver shall be responsible for providing such assistance or shall compensate the owner or operator for all costs associated with securing and compensating the person or persons providing such assistance.

(b) It shall be unlawful to coerce or attempt to coerce any person providing transportation of property by motor vehicle for compensation in interstate commerce (whether or not such transportation is subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission under subchapter II of chapter 105 of this title) to load or unload any part of such property onto or from such vehicle or to employ or pay one or more persons to load or unload any part of such property onto or from such vehicle, except that this subsection shall not be construed as making unlawful any activity which is not unlawful under the National Labor Relations Act or the Act of March 23, 1932 (47 Stat. 70; 29 U.S.C. 101 et seq.), commonly known as the Norris-LaGuardia Act.



"This section addresses those situations where the trucker is subjected to extortionate practices regarding the loading and unloading of his or her truck. It does not apply to the activities which are lawful under the National Labor Relations Act or the Norris-LaGuardia Act. for example, it does not apply to threats to strike or picket, or to the actual engaging in strikes or picketing." (1980 H.R. Rpt. No. 96-1069, 96th Cong., 2d Sess., p. 31).

PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF RULES RELATING
TO LOADING AND UNLOADING

The penalty for violation(s) of §14103 can be found in the FMCSRs under Appendix B to Part 386, (g) Violations of the commercial regulations (CRs) number (14). It reads, "A person who knowingly authorizes, consents to, or permits a violation of 49 U.S.C. 14103 relating to loading and unloading motor vehicles or who knowingly violates subsection (a) of 49 U.S.C. 14103 is liable for a penalty of not more than $11,000 per violation".

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Wheelchair no lump law

i tried to quote that law to the head dispatcher, at shaffer trucking ( newkingstown pa ) he told me to lump the freight or clean out the truck !! that law does not work<! companies DO NOT CARE, the shipper, ( hershey, mars ect.) pay the company ,to get the trailer unloaded the companies do thier best to force the driver to do it for 1/3 of what the shipper or broker pays.i have seen drivers paid 35 to 40.00, to unload a trailer load of candy, knowing the shipper pays 140 to 175.00, if drivers stick togather they will not have to do anything but drive, and as we all know that will not happen, glad i retired,i miss the highway i do not miss the hassle of getting product off a trailer. grocery warehouses are the worst kind, they have contracts with the food companies, and most of those contracts include the trucking company to be responsiable for unloading the product.i retired in 2004, i hope things are better now then when i was out there.this subject is one of the reasons for huge turn over of over the road drivers. have a safe trip drivers, WOODSTOCK
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Smiley 5 I understand the intimidation leaving you no choice...

However, if you are in the position to tell them to buzz off, you will have excellent grounds for winning your unemployment AND A FOLLOW-UP LAWSUIT WITH LABOR RELATIONS as they are violating FEDERAL labor laws. Remember, if you get hurt on the job lumping freight, the company and the receiver won't pay any punitive damages, leaving you to fork the medical bills. I'd rather them terminate me than to risk getting severely injured with no compensation. I would enjoy seeing companies fined and whoever told you to lump freight to be fined, imprisoned or both as this law was revised again in 1994. A $14,000 fine and/or 10 years imprisonment.

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It's only illegal (ie a felony) if one gets caught.
Besides, I don't plan to "cheat" 'em.
NopE!
My plan includes gettin' run over for REAL.
Lights AND siren and don't stop for the red lights, driver.
I mean totally forked up
and down.

And the FIRST thang I plan to do with the money I receive is to
have my (slightly) faded, purple cape
re-dyed to ROYAL purple to cover my busted buttox.
Maybe with pearl white fringes all around the edges,
with matching stars.
Then, get a custom paint job, probably glistening metal-flake gold, with flames and pinstripes,
and install multiple chicken lights on my brand new, solar powered
Hover-Round electric wheelchair.

Never let it be said that I, Shakey AfterShock ain't the
REAL deal.
I never fake nuthin'.
Not even the blue Handicapped placard for my new
mode of transportation enabling my disabled bod to park
right up front, --- as soon as those who park there illegally
move their automobiles.
But, I figure I'll have all the time in the world to wait.
No more hot and/or J.I.T. loads for me.


Like Mick Jaggers, of the Rolling Stones sang -----
Time, It's On My Side.

Or ----------

You Can't Always Get What'cha Want
But, If You Try Sometime
You Just Might Find
You Get What'cha Need.

I'm thinkin' I'll be needin' a set of flashy mag wheels for my
Hover-Round. That'd look pretty cool.
And maybe a set of polished, stainless steel
straight stacks and a reclining Bostrom Air-Ride seat
with arm rests
and lumbar support.

OH!
And a Jake Brake.
You know, for those long down hill runs over the
Grapevine Grade and the Siskiyou Mountains up north.
I sure wouldn't wanna get bogged down on one of those
escape ramps.

BTW, do y'all think wearing a full-face
helmet would be goin' too far?
I'm thinkin' folks might think I'm a
space alien
--- or one of them
illegal aliens
tryin' to take the jobs no American wants to do.
Hmmmmmmmm
Perhaps if I paint the helmet red, white and blue they'd know
I'm a bonafide citizen?
Then again, they might mistake me for
Captain America.

Which, now that I think about it,
wouldn't be a bad thang, considering his reputation.
Ya reckon.
Only you Aftershock...only you....
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DAMMIT, driver you got it all fingered out!!, be carefull the lawyers will want thier share, lol lol it aint easy handicappin around town the big movers will run you over like they have me, oh! the chicken lughts are a cool idea, they will give you a special parking place at your local wal-mart. have a super trailer trashing day, WOODSTOCK
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I guess if I wanted to get real cute, I could always drop the trailer in the exectutive parking lot? Or block the employee parking gate? Right before quitting time?

Nah, I'm not that stupid. But I think it would get the point across if I ever had a blatent problem with a vendor.
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I guess if I wanted to get real cute, I could always drop the trailer in the exectutive parking lot?
OH!
Absolutely!

Drop it on y'all's foot, and sue the suckers for million$.
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Or block the employee parking gate? Right before quitting time?
All depends on where that is, Infosaur.

I'd be real cautious where I parked at Smith & Wesson, or at the Watt's Food Bank,
there, all nestled in shadows of the beautiful suburbs of the L.A. Armpits --- down town.
"Down" being the key word here or there.
Y'all could get robbed of y'all's money thar
so someone ELSE can buy food.
See how that works, .......... gang?

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Nah, I'm not that stupid. But I think it would get the point across if I ever had a blatent problem with a vendor.
The secret to achieving your intended goal, is to make YOUR "blatent" problem THEIR problem, --- too, or
exclusively, ....... better yet.

GOOD dispatchers are GOOD at doin' that
FOR a Big truck truck driver.

You want your load?
Go fetch it.
At y'all's extra expense.
Git-'er-done.
NoW.

Often followed by skrew-you-too,
##!&%**#!!

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ha ha love your idea some drivers have claimed to have done it but you and i know what would happen
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I guess if I wanted to get real cute, I could always drop the trailer in the exectutive parking lot? Or block the employee parking gate? Right before quitting time?

Nah, I'm not that stupid. But I think it would get the point across if I ever had a blatent problem with a vendor.
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I have unloaded and sorted more than my share of loads to say the least; I get so fed up with the B.S. these shippers and recievers get away with; I feel they are the one's who ordered the freight and therefore, it's THEIR product, NOT MINE or my companies, and it should be up to them to load it onto my truck and take it off and sort it (I have no problem with loading or unloading but I sometimes draw the line at sorting a full 53' trailer full of yogurt or something that's gonna take me all day to do).

It'd be alot faster I feel at docks if they'd just load/unload you when you got to a dock and took up any shortsges or damages between the shipper and reciever and left the trucking company out of it, and they sorted all their freight on their time, not the truckers time since we are always under the gun for hours.
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