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Shippers & Receivers - Good or Bad Load O' Freight That Just Can't Wait. Had a good or bad experience with a shipper or receiver? Discuss grocery warehouses, lumpers, and anything dealing with pickups or deliveries here. Does that shipper let you park and sleep? Does the receiver FORCE you to get a lumper? Trucker Directions

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Old 05.28.2008
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Rarly Does the company pay "Per Hour" to lump it's a straight fee lets say $60.00 for the "ENTIRE" Load and the longer it takes you to unload the less you make. 19/$60.00 = 0.31666666666666666666666666666667

I drove a thousand years ago and remeber,to get to a Food Warehouse on time (they still have those food lions down south?) and after driving 16 hours (yes cooking the books)had to unload from the floor 80k worth of birdseye products that had to be sorted and repalletized.!

I would think since I am getting back into the trucking industy this will be the one load that will keep me looking for a company that dosent require or forbids it's "DRIVERS" to touch frieght.

Thats just one example I am sure those that have driven back in the late 70s early 80's can tell story after story about how the driver was taken advatage of not only by dispatch (pushing to get the frieght there)

The brokers that beleived they could start negotations after you bumped the dock (crab, lobster)

The warehouses that didnt belive it was their freight untill it hit the flat of their recieving dock on their pallets in the sorted order they wanted it

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I have scanned most of this thread, and read posts 74-80 above ^ ... and it all still seems about as clear as mud.

Who or what determines just exactly what the commitment, obligations, responsibilities are for the driver that just backed his 53' reefer up to the dock??

New-B here so please bear with me. Is it determined by: the origin shipper, XYZ Freight Company (for company or L/O drivers), some other entity in the middle, the policy of the receiver / warehouse, the whim of the guy that you deal with on the dock ..... all of the above ?? If I should get my wife to ride with me, is it OK to make her my designated lumper ?? (Be careful now)

I have other "lumper" questions, but let's start with that for now .

Thanks for the help !
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Seems like a good point about insurance .....
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When I got my CDL so many years ago, I was required to have an "X" ENDORSEMENT . The company never said anything about LUMPER ENDORSEMENT or a MECHANIC ENDORSEMENT on my CDL. If my company can afford to pay a $300.00 lumper fee for someone else to unload the load, then they can pay that amount to me as well. Or pay a mechanic shop $75/hr. to change light bulbs,headlights, air filters,oil/fuel filters then why can't they pay me the same rate. Any of you drivers ever notice on a lot of those docks there is a big sign saying DUE TO INSURANCE PURPOSES DRIVERS NOT ALLOWED ON DOCK...Yet the dock is saying you (the driver) has to load/unload trailer. If you are unloading your trailer and you get hurt....who is responsible? Dock says you are not covered by their insurance(see big sign) and your company says they are also not liable because you got hurt on the shipper/receiver dock and not on the truck.
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The point that CAJUNSPICE makes about insurance seems like a valid one ?? Does anybody know if your company's insurance coverage stops where your trailer meets the dock ???

Thanks for responding ....
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When I got my CDL so many years ago, I was required to have an "X" ENDORSEMENT . The company never said anything about LUMPER ENDORSEMENT or a MECHANIC ENDORSEMENT on my CDL. If my company can afford to pay a $300.00 lumper fee for someone else to unload the load, then they can pay that amount to me as well. Or pay a mechanic shop $75/hr. to change light bulbs,headlights, air filters,oil/fuel filters then why can't they pay me the same rate. Any of you drivers ever notice on a lot of those docks there is a big sign saying DUE TO INSURANCE PURPOSES DRIVERS NOT ALLOWED ON DOCK...Yet the dock is saying you (the driver) has to load/unload trailer. If you are unloading your trailer and you get hurt....who is responsible? Dock says you are not covered by their insurance(see big sign) and your company says they are also not liable because you got hurt on the shipper/receiver dock and not on the truck.
If you are required to unload your company does NOT provide a lumper, and you get hurt, BOTH the Dock and Your employer are jointly responsible. The DOCK for requiring the driver to load/unload (against Federal Law) and your employer, because you were performing a service on behalf of the employer.

Been there, done that.
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I know this does not answer your question, but in the 80's and 90's I just flat out refused to load or unload. As a company driver I would stand my ground with the shippers and recievers and between the before mentioned and my co. they somehow got the truck loaded or unloaded without my help.Now I caught some flack for this but it had to begin somewhere with drivers like me refusing to do it. When I was an o/o I would unhook from the trailer at the dock and tell them to deal with the co. because this is my tractor you have the trailer. Guess what before I got off their grounds bobtailing they would stop me and say that they would load or unload the trailer. Heck, other drivers used to tell me it was my job but after running the way I ran for a co. I just did'nt see it that way. In those days I ran more miles than a team I was not about to fingerprint any freight. As for nowadays we don't fight that fight anymore, but if you have to , just plain stand your ground.
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If you are required to unload your company does NOT provide a lumper, and you get hurt, BOTH the Dock and Your employer are jointly responsible. The DOCK for requiring the driver to load/unload (against Federal Law) and your employer, because you were performing a service on behalf of the employer.

Been there, done that.
RK - I'm not sure I follow you - are you indicating that it's against fed law for a driver to load/unload (be on the dock), or that it's illegal for the dock to require the driver to unload/load if it's against the driver's company policy?

Can you point me at the statute so I can waive it in the faces of the iggernant?

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Just keepin' tabs on this thread.
Nothin' to add,..................... yet.
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Mr Shocky,

I beg to differ sir. What about posts 81 and 82 above ?? I think that guy is still looking for answers .... if you have any spares laying around ????

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Mr Shocky,

I beg to differ sir. What about posts 81 and 82 above ?? I think that guy is still looking for answers .... if you have any spares laying around ????

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At this point, I yield the floor.

I click on "User CP" to see which threads I've responded to have recent activity. By posting in this thread, when y'all post new posts, I'm notified, and know to check it out.

Before I dispense with any answers, I have to be absolutely sure my answers are correct. Ain't my style to pass on bogus information.

Roadkill mentioned "Been there, done that" -- so I'm thinkin' he'd be the best to answer the questions.
I'm confident he won't steer us wrong.

And, if I gave less than accurate info, I reckon he'd kick my buttox.
Rightfully so, I might add.
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At this point, I yield the floor.

I click on "User CP" to see which threads I've responded to have recent activity. By posting in this thread, when y'all post new posts, I'm notified, and know to check it out.

Before I dispense with any answers, I have to be absolutely sure my answers are correct. Ain't my style to pass on bogus information.

Roadkill mentioned "Been there, done that" -- so I'm thinkin' he'd be the best to answer the questions.
I'm confident he won't steer us wrong.

And, if I gave less than accurate info, I reckon he'd kick my buttox.
Rightfully so, I might add.
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AfterShock,

I understand & respect your position . Thanks for your response.

I will patiently await additional feedback ..... ....
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AfterShock,

I understand & respect your position . Thanks for your response.

I will patiently await additional feedback ..... ....
While we're waitin' --- whaddaya say we go get a cup-0-coffee?
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