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    ironpony- from a company standpoint it makes good sense. I'd love to get the chunk of change for it too, but who wants to out of work because you put your back out unloading. I'm sure I'll get enough activity when I hit the Flatbed division... lol


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    That's my point - who wants to chance getting hurt permanently when there's some schmuck willing to do the work at no cost to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hindsy View Post
    ironpony- from a company standpoint it makes good sense. I'd love to get the chunk of change for it too, but who wants to out of work because you put your back out unloading. I'm sure I'll get enough activity when I hit the Flatbed division... lol
    There are rules to everything. If you do not know how to lift, don't . If you don't how how to pull a heavy pallet, don't. It's true you can hurt your back or blow out your knee or elbow. You need to know how to warm up your muscle, in a cold warehouse this includes keeping them warm before and during strenuous exercise.

    You can learn how to handle weight at your local gym (which by the looks a the average driver would be the last person you would find here.) Like everything else you need to learn how to do what your attempting or you may hurt yourself.

    The biggest thing in unloading is think about what your doing before you do it, and never lift with your back, your back is not strong. Lift with your legs always. Legs and arms are for working, backs are not.

    Bottom line in 2001 (which was my last year in Refer # IWX) I made 73,000 as a driver and unload my own loads (Baby food & baby formula) I made an additional 9600.00 on 35 unload. There were loads that I was not able to do because the company already had arrangements with people who meet me at the receivers.

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    When I pulled a Reefer I worked for a small company that was driver owned. I was able to lump my own loads I would ask what the fee was to have lumped then said no I will do it myself and made out a receipt to the company I worked for and made some good extra money. But I was lucky that the company would do this. Sometimes I would pass if it was a hard lump like the product was heavy and double stacked. Or I was just to tired. I also found that once in a while if I offered the lump unloading the trailer next to me a 20 he would get the top pallets to grown level for me. Just thought I would share this with some of you who do lump your own loads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tip View Post
    Aussie, I used to wonder that as well. Why the hell are these mysterious, almost ghostly, individuals called "lumpers" on docks unloading freight and not folks who are employed by the DCs?

    One reason lumpers are a reality is dock workers who don't actually work "for" the docks don't require workman's comp, health insurance, that sort of thing. Hell, they don't even need to be paid minimum wage, for that matter. And they don't need uniforms, time-cards, or even an arm of HR to handle them.

    Another reason lumpers exist is that if drivers HAD to unload freight, the freight would be moved at 25% the rate it presently moves. Not many drivers are gonna put up with somebody telling them "you HAVE to unload this". Hell no. Most drivers aren't gonna be anybody's dock hands for long, especially the OTR guys. Docks understand this reality, and the lumpers are the band-aid solution that keeps the freight rolling. Yeap, if somebody told ME I had to unload no matter what, the freight would rot on the truck. This is because it would never get unloaded, as I don't touch freight, period.

    But the biggest reason lumpers are realities at docks is because docks can use lumpers to get a sort of "kick-back" from the trucking companies they do business with. Have you noticed that lumpers charge outrageous prices for their services? Sure you have. California lumpers regularly charge a driver 250 bucks to unload a full wagon. And I'm sure you've noticed who these guys are. They're usually immigrants, and regardless if they're natives or immigrants, they often look like they've just walked out of a half-way house or just the plain ol' 'poorhouse' or flophouse. When I started driving, this is one of the first things I noticed. It didn't take me long to figure out something was/is up at the docks. A dreg lumper takes home 250 bucks to unload one trailer? If he unloads two trailers, he makes 500 bucks? How the hell does that happen? That is outrageous money for only a few hours work! On my first trip I was thinking of quitting my driving job and getting a lumping job. Dreams of becoming a millionaire in only a year or two danced through my head for a few seconds there.

    Then it hit me--these guys DON'T take home all that dough. The docks obviously charge lumpers a sort of "user fee", sort of what a whorehouse charges its resident ######. This is the kickback. If you pay a lumper 250 bones to unload a trailer in four hours, he will have to pay probably 150 of that to the dock. Maybe 200. That explains why you see those scruffy-looking guys, mainly immigrants, unloading the trailers instead of good-looking white guys who used to be doctors, lawyers, and whatnot who quit those jobs to go make the REAL money--lumping freight at 250 bucks a trailer.

    That's right--you don't see those white guys unloading freight because lumpers DON'T take that big money home with them at the end of the day. After your next lumper gets you emptied out and you head on down the road, know that he then has to visit the dock's head office or his lumping-service boss to have his pockets picked. The dock snatches the lion's share of what you give him and thus it gets a reduced rate on deliveries. This kickback should be illegal, but of course it isn't. Who knows how much the government is losing in lost tax revenue on lumpers and the kickbacks.

    It doesn't matter anyway. We can't change things outside of quitting the industry. Your company pays for lumpers, or at least you need to make sure they are. And make sure they pay 100%. YOU don't wanna be subsidizing docks one red cent. If your company "forces" you to pay any share of the lumper fee, find another company fast.

    I've said in other posts to keep company scams from eating at you. Not here. This is a scam you shouldn't tolerate. Because I know what is going on at the docks, if my company told me I had to pay for a lumper out of my own pocket, I would quit on the spot, no questions asked. I wouldn't put up with subsidizing those suits at the docks for a second.

    One other thing. If your company is stiffing you on lumper reimbursments, give them the ultimatum. Companies negotiate lumper fees into freight charges, or at least they're supposed to. In other words, your company already knows approximately how much a lumper will be charging you at your next dock before you get there. If your company starts playing games like not paying 100% or even puts the burden on YOUR shoulders, you know what to do next.
    I work for a lumping service in CT and it is only 80 bucks for anything over 8 pallets and 25 bucks per dump pallet. Lumpers are needed for the drivers who dont want to pull off upwards to 60 pallets and pick up dump freight. Where I work some drivers do it themselves but they have a time limit of 2 hours to unload and break down. Lumping services are subcontracted out and have nothing to do with the companies receiving the goods. I have yet to see a driver want to unload a 53' truck with half of it dumped. Lets be real 90% of the drivers are big and would not make the 2 hour time limit. Also all products are different heights and blocks you also have to wrap and if called for enter a freezer with -20 degree temps. I see drivers with shorts and slippers. #### on lumpers all you want but you have no idea how physically demanding it is. It like going to the gym and working out for 6 hours straight, at the end of the day you are beat and all you can do is pass out. also the amount of pain you feel from back to the shoulders is never ending.

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    I am a truck driver. Not a stock boy. Why do I need to break down pallets and get orders ready for distribution to their various stores? Get the crap off my truck so I can go haul another load. Break it down on the dock. Piggly Wiggly or whoever I deliver to needs to have salaried help to do this, it's a ripoff plain a simple.

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    ALEX - Anti-Lumpers EXperiment: A simple solution to Lumpers and all that's needed is a peaceful protest. Imagine if you will that you've filled up your shopping cart and you approach the cashier. They are expecting you to unload the cart and put stuff on the counter. You reach into your pocket and pull out a piece of paper that states: "I am a truck driver and I deliver to your stores and/or distribution centers. I'm expected to pay a lumper to unload my trailer, or unload it myself. My fee to unload a shopping cart is $20. If you choose not to pay this fee, I'll just leave this stuff here." Can you just imagine the look on their faces? After you've left their stuff in the cart and walked out, they find another piece of paper that states "Dear Store Manager, I'm part of a group of truck drivers that feel it's totally unprofessional for us to pay a lumper, or any fee to offload your product to this store or at a distribution center. You now have a choice of paying somebody to unload our trailers, or pay somebody to restock the items from cart. If you don't choose wisely, expect to find a lot of unattended and full shopping carts in your store."

    If enough of these ALEX's are done, I would expect things should change. It might take a while for management to wake up to this form of protesting, but you can only hit the snooze button so many times. They'll have to hire or pay the staff to unload all those shopping carts or have staff on the loading/receiving docks.

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    First time I ran into a lumper situation I raised Hell with the receiver. I sent a message to Swift telling them I was not allowed to unload my trailer. On my dispatch it said "Unilever will not pay for lumpers." One of the managers freaked and asked who told me that I couldn't unload. I pointed him out and they both were apologizing. I got authorized to write a comcheck to the lumper. Of course that got held against my pay until I submitted the receipt with the lumper's allegeded social security number on it. If a lumper is required? I shouldn't do anything except sign the bill, or better yet? Let the receiver pay the bill!

    Anyone have a lumper walk off and help his buddies? How about receivers not signing for detention pay?

    If I had been an O/O? I would have demanded immediate unloading without them breaking it down. Or I would have called it refused delivery and pulled off the dock.

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    Too tired to get into it all now but--lumpers were created by trucking companies--was a time that every warehouse unloaded there own--then the union in Chicago went on strike-- then the teamsters crossed their picket line--and thus the sad saga began--then when warehouses got tired of getting sued by bigger companies because their drivers got hurt--well do the math

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    Lumpers make my job easier and my company pays for them. If ur a o/o u know the cost has to get factored in. Lumpers are not all immigrants and this and that thats a bunch of crap. They also dont charge 250 a pop they go from 80 bucks to 250. They use electric pallet jacks and make us use crappy manual pallet jacks no thanks I will keep my back. Lumpers are my friends. I sleep while they work.

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