Turbo 3000 Super Vada Fuel Device

Go for it. At any given time, if you can't afford to take a chance for a couple of hundred bucks, then you are in trouble anyhow. It might work as advertised oir better. At worst, they will be teaching you an inexpensive life lesson, and over the years some of the worst investments I ever made were the best investments I made.

 

Read the "How it Works" page. Sorry to say but it's pure scam.

Just for starters, Combustion efficiency is quite good in a modern diesel engine. The gains to be made are pretty much improving thermal efficiency, and reducing friction.

And this is just so wrong.

"When the fuel injector on a diesel engine is unable to atomize fuel efficiently due to temperature, viscosity, or too rapid of a load change, the injector will stream the fuel rather than atomizing it."

If an injector is "streaming" it is defective and needs to be replaced. No magic box is going to cure that. A properly functioning injector will never "stream" no matter what kind of changing load condition you might have.

 

I cannot believe that anyone would pay $200 for a worthless and unnecessary product.

If anyone knows how a diesel engine works, they would understand that there is no way that a device installed anywhere between the fuel tank and the injector is going to do a thing to improve fuel delivery to the injector.

The injector needs one simple thing. It needs a consistent liquid supply of fuel, and fuel line rail pressure in which to deliver that fuel when the injector opens.

From the website:

The TURBO3000D works to improve atomization by creating a change in the travel pattern of the fuel, prior to the fuel injector. TURBO3000D provides the fuel injector with an efficient delivery of fuel reducing all of the effects which create streaming at the fuel injector. Fuel rail pressure equalization is also achieved by this change in fuel travel action, leading to a smoother idle, and a quieter running engine.

The ONLY effect that this device could EVER achieve, is to reduce fuel rail pressure, and something that can be done WITHOUT installing a device in the fuel line. So therefore, if the rail pressure is too high, installing this device will absolutely have an effect in reducing the pressure, and therefore save fuel.

While there are a few trucks still running around that have mechanical engine controls, the vast majority are controlled by the ECM, which monitors and adjusts fuel delivery as needed for maximum fuel mileage. All this device will do is to hinder that process and circumvent the process. It's much like having an ever so slightly clogged up fuel filter, IF it does anything at all.

The FTC has a page devoted to the subject of claims of devices and substances that claim to offer fuel mileage savings, and the bottom line is that in just about EVERY last case, the savings achieved are completely off-set, if they are apparent to begin with, by the cost of the device or product.

As it pertains to this product, no device that claims to "ionize" fuel in the fuel line will have ANY positive effect on fuel mileage. Ionization is achieved and only effective in the combustion chamber. So what good does any device, if it in any way spins, twirls, or changes the flow of fuel, halfway to the injector? None whatsoever.

Federal Trade Commission

Save your $200, and put it in the bank and let it generate a little interest. Giving it to them will only result in enriching their pockets, and perpetuating the cycle of deception, and allow these snake oil salesmen to thrive like ####roaches.

 

While it pains me greatly to have to disagree with Turbo, I do have to say that there is one device that so far, seems to be effective that is installed between the fuel tank and the injectors. The fuel preporator being sold through Bruce Mallinson's Pittsburgh Power shop seems to have a pretty good track record. But, unlike the Turbo 3000, the physics behind it can be explained and understood by the average high school level physics student. It basically removes entrained air from the fuel. As your fuel sloshes and moves in relation to the movement of the truck, air gets trapped in wih the fuel and some of that air makes it's way along the fuel lines with the fuel. The device consists of a lift pump that brings the fuel up to a filter that removes the extra air, and in doing so increases the density of the fuel delivered to the engine.

I know some people who I trust to report both good and bad that have installed them, and are seeeing immediate reasonable fuel mileage gains. Not 10% across the board or some unrealistic number, but enough of an improvement in mileage and performance to make the device pay for it's cost over a reasonable amount of time.

And, if there is truly to be a gain in mileage or performance in a device, it should be immediate and apparent, not require 25000 miles of time for it to occur.

This is the only add on device that I would consider adding to my fuel system in the future. But again, I understand how it works, and the physics behind it, while many of the others seem to rely on smoke and mirrors.

 

I'm certainly not going to butt heads with you Burky, but the first thing that comes to my mind when digesting what you wrote about the fuel preporator, is another law of physics. I'm not challenging you at all. I just want to understand a little more, the device you are referring to.

Common sense tells me that if and when any air were to mix with fuel in the tanks as a result of sloshing, the air would rise to the surface of the fuel rather quickly. The pick-up tubes are at the bottom of the tanks, and unless one were to run extremely low on fuel, air just wouldn't hang around down south.

But let's be clear on what device we are speaking of, and whether or not it actually does what it is supposed to do.

 

That seems to be a similar device, though the specific one I know of is the F.A.S.S. Fuel Air Separator System, which is available on the Pittsburgh Diesel site. And let me be clear, I haven't used one myself, and can't make any first hand claims. I do know of someone that I trust who is running one and has seen some reasonable improvements, and is testing it in a reasonably solid manner. He, and the manufacturer don't make any outrageous claims, and he has no reason not to be honest about his experiences with it. In fact, he also spent the money and tried out a Turbo 3000, and has detailed his experiences with it as well. he's not a dealer, but a fellow driver, and one of the few who's word I would trust on his results, good or bad.

I haven't had one myself, but it is the one device that I believe I may use in the future. mi still have some questions about it and will be doing some more research before ever putting one on a truck, but it is currently the only thing I can imagine putting in my fuel system. None of the other things on the market I have ever seen make any sense to me, but at least this one I can understand. Now it's just a matter of if it works as well as it is supposed to.

 

This is called airation, although it will not harm the fuel system it can and will affect the performance of the engine by not allowing the proper amount of fuel to be injected at the proper moment.

Another piece of information is that there is so much energy in a gallon of diesel. The only way to increase millage in a specific engine is either change the fuel type with more energy or a complete desiegn change in the engine. There is a possibility of a small increase if fuel millage with the addons they are very limited in increasing fuel milage...

 

True, there is only so much power in a specific amount of fuel. The only reason I am interested in this particular device is that what it basically does is increase the density of the fuel by removing any entrapped air. It doesn't increase the amount of energy in a specific quatity of fuel, but does have potential to ensure that the fuel charge is as dense as it can be, maintaining the proper fuel air ratio needed to make the engine perform as it should. Fuel density and air density are really the only two variables that you have to play with if the engine is set at the proper specs.

As a matter of fact, despite my preference for aerodynamic trucks vice classsic models, the main thing I admire about the classic is that it puts the air cleaners out in the cooler, denser airflow. No underhood filter can quite match that.

Speaking of fuel density, one of the old tricks I had from my stock car racing days was to store my racing fuel in an old refrigerator. The colder fuel was more dense, and it was a light advantage. Not a huge one, but you took everything that you could get and made it work for you.