Installing a wetline

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  1. dizzyacres2

    dizzyacres2 Bobtail Member

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    Hello folks - I'm new to wet lines - I've a 1998 IH 9400 - 3406e - fuller rtlo 18913a - 13 speed --- I'll be using a ravens 40' frameless end dump - I can get a wet kit at a salvage yard - questions -- how will I be able to tell right off if they are giving me the right one -- I hear it makes a difference what kind of tranny - what PTO #s would tell the difference from what works on a ten speed or a 13 - and is an 8 bolt pto standard to my tranny - and what about the shim count to fit that tranny --- and any other misc info anyone who has already been there might add or warn about -- Thanks
     
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  3. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    You'll be better off buying a new PTO so that you're sure you're getting everything you need and not buying something that's already worn out. I'd also have the same concern about the pump, but it is a little less labor-intensive to replace if you do get a bad one. The tank is fine to get from a scrap yard...it only has to hold oil and not leak...but the lines you'll definitely want to have new ones made so that they are the right length and you know they are good. Last thing you need to do is have the suction line collapse or the pressure line burst on your first load!
     
  4. plow boy

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    i agree get a new pump. Also if I was going to get a new system get the kind with two line so that you can run a walking floor or pull a bulk feed trailer or whatever. Its more versatile and if you ever need it you have it. Better than wishing you did after you got a single line system. You have more options about what your system can do and you never know what the future will hold. I didnt set mine up that way but wish I had when I put it on and mine was a brand new system. If you do go with a salvage yard deal get ALL new lines. It doesnt cost that much and almost any hose with much age should be replaced. If one ever fails you will see what I mean. Big mess for sure and serious damage to equipment and injury or worse to anyone near . Best of luck to you .
     
  5. RockBucket

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    Most definately spend the extra and get a new pto, pump and hoses. Your parts store can get you the right pump if you tell them what tranny you have. Well worth the extra expense and peace of mind. There are times you can cut corners...this aint one of em.
     
  6. dizzyacres2

    dizzyacres2 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks Folks -- there seems to be consensus -- get new stuff - reckon you can't go wrong with new - but I'm not even sure when or if I'll be using this truck - so at a $ 1,000 bucks - I'll probably - foolishly go for it -- yes - I'll carefully go over every part - new hoses, sure -- seems I never do things the easy way - { heck, I'm a bed-bugger } another trucking adventure here Thanks
     
  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Problem is, you have to search and find the PTO that is correct for your transmission. The used one at the scrap yard may not have a legible tag, so you may not know if it is correct or not. The shims it has installed are the shims needed for THAT transmission, and even if it is the same model as yours, manufacturing tolerances being what they are the shims may not be what you need...so then you have to find some shims. Get it all installed, and you don't know what condition the seals are in...so they might leak on you, and make sure you inspect the gears to make sure they aren't wore out from somebody engaging the PTO without first stopping the gears in the transmission.

    Then there is the pump. If you are setting it up for a dump, it's going to have to put out 2000-2500 psi of pressure. If it is worn out, it won't do that. New pumps come pre-set...but that one may have been turned up or down, so after you get it installed be sure to check that. If it won't make the pressure you need, you'll have to pull it back off and go get another one.

    One other thing, which you'll have to do whether you buy a new pump & PTO or get used ones, is you'll have to make a bracket to support the weight of the pump. If you don't, the weight of the pump will break the PTO. Easiest way to do that is to start with 2 pieces of thick, strong flat steel. Drill a hole in one end of both of them...one bolts onto the transmission, the other onto the back of the pump to support the weight. They'll need to be bent and twisted around (pull them off to do this with a hammer, vice, etc...) until they meet and lay flat together when bolted in place. Clamp them together with a pair of vice grips so they don't move...then pull the piece out and weld it up....them bolt it back in place.
     
  8. Interplanet Janet

    Interplanet Janet Light Load Member

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    What the hell is a wetline? If it has to do with hooking up a syphon from a bottle of Crown Royal Black (outside the truck) to the cab for sleeper berth consumption - I'm in !!!!
     
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  9. dizzyacres2

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    Good stuff there Bulldog - yeah you got me thinking - I was concerned about securing the unit - some folks just bolt it on - I was concerned about the vibrations and pressures at 2000 plus PSI --- Well I'm going to do quite a bit more checking out before trottin down to the junk yard - I've heard you can get new PTO and pump for around $1100 - how close is that ?
    I know that wouldn't include valves or any of the other stuff - yeah, more checking out when I get back home next week --- Thanks,
     
  10. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    PTO's were in the $200-$300 range last time I bought one (6 years ago) and the pump will probably run you at least $600-$800. The control valve will set you back another $100-$150, plus all of the air lines and fittings to make it all work. If the pump doesn't have the control solenoid on it, that'll be another $50-$100...and you still haven't had the hoses made or got your tank. If you pay to have it installed, add that to the cost (but at least you know it is done right). Not really something you'd buy "just to have" unless you've got a ton of money burning a hole in your pocket. If it'll earn its keep, go ahead & do it...otherwise, it'll be a waste of money.
     
  11. dizzyacres2

    dizzyacres2 Bobtail Member

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    Yeah - not a lot of loose change in these pockets, but we do have a kinda plan in the new year - I've usually tried to stick to the old adage -- if you wait till you need it,, it's too late.
    over-all you do have me figuring I'll go a bit slower - check out the fine details a little closer - and yeah, I'll save a penny or two - do the work myself - it won't be quick - but it will be right, at least after I do it twice, like most of my learn as you go projects -- Thanks, Bulldog for much useful input
     
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