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Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA news here. Are you a member of the Teamsters, OOIDA or another Union involved with trucking or transportation? What are the good and bad sides to Unions? Discuss the finer points of Unions here.

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Old 05.18.2008
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Not to pick your post apart but i have to agree with you. American auto manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with quality and i would like to figure out why. Some of it seems to be the Union Entitlement attitude which is costing the auto manufacturers billions of dollars. For example i have heard figures of 50-65% of the price of a new vehicle goes towards employee retirement. What ever happened to taking care of yourself? I for one would not want a corporate retirement. Remember Enron? The wages at big UAW companies are very exorbinate. Most UAW employees make more per hour than the mechanics that work on them a few years down the road! What is a more skilled job? Putting a car together or figuring out what is wrong with one when it won't run?


FWIW my wife worked for Nissan Forklift for 4 years and it was probably one of the best jobs she EVER had. She would still be there today if my job would have hung around. at least 2X a year some employees would get together and try to Unionize but the bennies and insurance that Nissan gave was better than what the Union was offering! Hell my wife had an accounting degree paid for in full by Nissan! If you did your job and did it well everything was good but if you didn't you may get canned and that is why a few employees kept wanting the Union in. Protecting F-Ups is one of my biggest issues with Unions and i believe it is one of the bigger issues that is hurting them. If you don't do your job you SHOULD be fired!!

you really are out of touch with how unions operate...


so many times I have posted that the F-ups last a few weeks after being hired...


you HAVE to pull your own weight
(period)



now regarding union wages hurting a company -

I have also posted about an interview with the CEO of toyota (that was broadcast last summer on 60 minutes).


in that interview the question was posed

"why do american automakers have such a hard time unions?"

his reply was simple -

he said that in mopst countrys union labor was the norm - but the point people miss is that at GM for example there are over 430 employess that make more than he does (he is CEO) -

american autmakers are notorious for being top heavy and having 50 vice presidents with 3 million a year pensions and stupid pay while on duty...


(as always - 2 sides to every story)
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you really are out of touch with how unions operate...


so many times I have posted that the F-ups last a few weeks after being hired...


you HAVE to pull your own weight
(period)



now regarding union wages hurting a company -

I have also posted about an interview with the CEO of toyota (that was broadcast last summer on 60 minutes).


in that interview the question was posed

"why do american automakers have such a hard time unions?"

his reply was simple -

he said that in mopst countrys union labor was the norm - but the point people miss is that at GM for example there are over 430 employess that make more than he does (he is CEO) -

american autmakers are notorious for being top heavy and having 50 vice presidents with 3 million a year pensions and stupid pay while on duty...


(as always - 2 sides to every story)
I am non union but I will agree with that.Lots of compant pay office and CEOs to much in wages bonuses etc.then when something like Enron happens whos fault is it.
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I can't speak for any other Union but the Operating Engineers local 150 out of Chicago and there were MANY lazy arses when i was part of them. I was always getting hammered by the BA's for doing TO MUCH and making the rest look bad!! PISSED ME RIGHT OFF!! If a bucket pin was squealing on my excavator i would get out and grease it instead of waiting upwards of an hour for an oiler to come out to do it or just keep running it like most and ruining a pin. That's a NO NO according to the BA as it wasn't my job. F^($ HIM! It's my machine assigned to me and if it's broke i'm not working! I would also get out of the excavator and help the laborers hand much around gas mains Etc. and would get spanked for that for the same reason. Screw em all!
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My favorite Union experience, was SF postal service.

One guy to open the door and pull the dock plate. One guy to drive the forklift and unload, another guy to count the bins...done.

Guy #1 returns, pulls the dock plate. Then ANOTHER guy signs the bills.

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I can't speak for any other Union but the Operating Engineers local 150 out of Chicago and there were MANY lazy arses when i was part of them. I was always getting hammered by the BA's for doing TO MUCH and making the rest look bad!! PISSED ME RIGHT OFF!! If a bucket pin was squealing on my excavator i would get out and grease it instead of waiting upwards of an hour for an oiler to come out to do it or just keep running it like most and ruining a pin. That's a NO NO according to the BA as it wasn't my job. F^($ HIM! It's my machine assigned to me and if it's broke i'm not working! I would also get out of the excavator and help the laborers hand much around gas mains Etc. and would get spanked for that for the same reason. Screw em all!
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I personally drive a UAW made car and I shop at union retailers (pick n save and costco). I'll go to walmart to shoplift before I go there to shop and I'm a former walmart (scam's club) employee for what it's worth. Costco is 20+ miles from the house and I'd rather go there than scam's club which is a few miles away. Also, it seems that costco has lower prices than scam's, not to mention that service at costco is a million times better than the best scam's club in the area.

I have never had to contract out any work on my house, but if I did, it would be union.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with a union man shopping non-union, either. We (teamsters) aren't affiliated with all of the unions out there, and a select few unions are exactly model unions.

Who says you cant do both?
hey i was a teamster for 12 yrs an now wanna get into a union shop with a class A permit .any suggestions on getting the training .thanks tim
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hey i was a teamster for 12 yrs an now wanna get into a union shop with a class A permit .any suggestions on getting the training .thanks tim

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I struggle with the argument about quality at Wal Mart. Many of its products are made overseas, just like at just about every other place that we shop at.
As far as food quality...their food products are just the same exact thing by the brand name companies, just wrapped in different packaging. Case in point, I worked in their frozen department and they sold blue bunny ice cream in those gallon containers. They also sold a cheaper version of the same exact ice cream. Ingredients were all the same...etc; especially the mailing address in Iowa! Their meats are not third world exports as some rumor mills would like you to believe, but most (if not all) of their meats are Tyson made.

Lots of people think that Wal Mart is full of cheap stuff. Well they are, but not anymore than anywhere else. Its just that their buying power is so large that they can buy a ton of product and save on the quantity of what they order.

Its not that Im anti-union or anything (although some would argue I am, lol)...Im for competitive pricing. Im not going to go somewhere where the products price is overly inflated for what it is. One could argue quality and so could I. Companies have quality controls and specifications. I don't think one worker over another worker can apply a different quality towards that same end product.

As far as their employees...I mean seriously. Its not a (here I go again with the skill thing) a high skilled job, stocking shelves, ringing up customers. I don't need to pay more for a product just because of the employees being union or non union. They get paid a competitive pay in their market for what they do and they have a good chance of working up the rungs to higher positions.
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If you want a perfect demonstration of unions at work, watch a city crew fixing potholes in the street.

Normally 5 guys leaning on shovels or sitting in the truck while one does the work.
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If you want a perfect demonstration of unions at work, watch a city crew fixing potholes in the street.

Normally 5 guys leaning on shovels or sitting in the truck while one does the work.

well the one working is normALLY THE "MINORITY"

you see all unions are based on an extreme racist principle - and we are trying to keep the "botherman" down through enticement of bennies.


so ronno - you drive a foreign car?
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well the one working is normALLY THE "MINORITY"

you see all unions are based on an extreme racist principle - and we are trying to keep the "botherman" down through enticement of bennies.


so ronno - you drive a foreign car?
2 U.S. made and one foreign.

What does that have to do with anything we are talking about?
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