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Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA news here. Are you a member of the Teamsters, OOIDA or another Union involved with trucking or transportation? What are the good and bad sides to Unions? Discuss the finer points of Unions here.

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If you want a perfect demonstration of unions at work, watch a city crew fixing potholes in the street.

Normally 5 guys leaning on shovels or sitting in the truck while one does the work.

no - what does THIS have to do with anything we are talking about


please stay on topic

which is


"How many of you Union members are driving a union Made car/truck? How many hire Union contractors to do work on their homes? How many buy Union made products whenever they can? HOW MANY SHOP AT WAL-MART??? "


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Well I think the question could delve much deeper than simple why questions. There are reason behinds purchasing decisions...at least their should be, behind purchasing decisions such as cars...etc. A simple 'cuz its union made' reply is rather chincy when you think about it.

Take cars for example. I could buy a domestic union made car or a foreign car. Or heck, I could face a dilemma and buy a union made car in a US plant owned by a foreign car company...thats a head scratcher right there.

I could buy a ford or any other US made union made car. But from what I have seen from the US car makers, they are doing little to zippo to attract car buyers. Very few cars actually get anywhere near decent fuel mileage.

They continue to make only gasoline powered cars. Very few hybrids of any type and even those are pathetic in improving mileage.

Diesel is the preferred fuel all around the world....except here. WTF?

Interesting point is that the same US car companies that make MORE fuel efficient vehicles for the rest of the world, claim they can't do it here in the states!

I guess Im just tired of the lies. And in this case, its the companies themselves Im getting tired of. So in this situation, the union matter doesnt....matter much to me because Im going to buy a car that fits my needs from a company that knows how to make a good car and makes what the consumer wants. And right now, that needle is pointing to Toyota and a tad towards VW.
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Well, the 2 union stewards where I work drive a Toyota (non-union US plant, IIRC) and a Chrysler (Mexico, I think). The president of the local I belong to drives a Mercedes-Benz.
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[Protecting F-Ups is one of my biggest issues with Unions and i believe it is one of the bigger issues that is hurting them. If you don't do your job you SHOULD be fired!!
That's my main problems with unions. They protect ALL the workers, the good ones who do a decent job, AND ALSO the lousy ones who need to be fired. But it seems to me that they go out on a limb for the one's who should be fired. At least in the examples I've seen. This from a former Teamster, paperworker, and communications worker.
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Not to pick your post apart but i have to agree with you. American auto manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with quality and i would like to figure out why. Some of it seems to be the Union Entitlement attitude which is costing the auto manufacturers billions of dollars. For example i have heard figures of 50-65% of the price of a new vehicle goes towards employee retirement. What ever happened to taking care of yourself? I for one would not want a corporate retirement. Remember Enron? The wages at big UAW companies are very exorbinate. Most UAW employees make more per hour than the mechanics that work on them a few years down the road! What is a more skilled job? Putting a car together or figuring out what is wrong with one when it won't run?


FWIW my wife worked for Nissan Forklift for 4 years and it was probably one of the best jobs she EVER had. She would still be there today if my job would have hung around. at least 2X a year some employees would get together and try to Unionize but the bennies and insurance that Nissan gave was better than what the Union was offering! Hell my wife had an accounting degree paid for in full by Nissan! If you did your job and did it well everything was good but if you didn't you may get canned and that is why a few employees kept wanting the Union in. Protecting F-Ups is one of my biggest issues with Unions and i believe it is one of the bigger issues that is hurting them. If you don't do your job you SHOULD be fired!!
Why do UNION employees when on strike try to get NON UNION jobs till the strike is over?? I wonder if they are called SCABS?
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Why do UNION employees when on strike try to get NON UNION jobs till the strike is over?? I wonder if they are called SCABS?
Hmmm. I don't have much experience with the striking world...but I think that the unions do have some money set aside for employee wages (lower) during the strike time. They are still required (correct me if Im wrong) to show up for work, however they protest and stuff.

I havent heard of union peope looking for non-union jobs during the strike.
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Hmmm. I don't have much experience with the striking world...but I think that the unions do have some money set aside for employee wages (lower) during the strike time. They are still required (correct me if Im wrong) to show up for work, however they protest and stuff.

I havent heard of union peope looking for non-union jobs during the strike.
Well I have told me the money he got while on strike wasnt enough to feed his family.He even told me the strike was BS.
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Hmmm. I don't have much experience with the striking world...but I think that the unions do have some money set aside for employee wages (lower) during the strike time. They are still required (correct me if Im wrong) to show up for work, however they protest and stuff.

I havent heard of union peope looking for non-union jobs during the strike.

yeah we have a strike fund - about 290 million bucks as of june 1st.

the getting a non union job is not unheard of - but you will be labeled by your fellow members.

just like UAW guys that drive non union vehicles are.
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