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thelasvegasone · **^ Top** #**101** 10.19.2007

Unfortunately cutloose, U hit the nail right on the head.If u work in a right 2 work state u have 2 put up with alot of this shaddy stuff that is going on.Like Texas,Nevada is also a RIGHT TO WORK STATE which means (4 all of u that don't know) is when your place you're employed with can FIRE u for ANY REASON that THEY see fit WITHOUT explanation or reason why they fired u and at the same time u as an employee have the right 2 QUIT/RESIGN from a job without any notice and/or reason.Sounds like a pretty fair trade don't u think????? LOL LOL LOL what a crock of U KNOW WHAT!!!!!! It is unbeleiveable how these companies can get away with all this maddness.But THAT is EXACTLY what a right 2 work state is.I really hate it!!! I've hated from day 1 of the beverage company I was previously employed with.Like I have mentioned over and over again NEVADA IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE!! The UNIONS have ABSOLUTELY NO SPINE in this state.And being a right 2 work state just ADDS FUEL 2 THE FIRE!!!That is another reason why unions r so freekin weak out here!!!CASINOS+BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES+CORRUPT GOVERNMENT+WEEK UNIONS=RIGHT 2 WORK STATE=A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCREW UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY IS GOING 2 STOP THEM EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

cutloose · **^ Top** #**102** 10.19.2007

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Originally Posted by thelasvegasone

Unfortunately cutloose, U hit the nail right on the head.If u work in a right 2 work state u have 2 put up with alot of this shaddy stuff that is going on.Like Texas,Nevada is also a RIGHT TO WORK STATE which means (4 all of u that don't know) is when your place you're employed with can FIRE u for ANY REASON that THEY see fit WITHOUT explanation or reason why they fired u and at the same time u as an employee have the right 2 QUIT/RESIGN from a job without any notice and/or reason.Sounds like a pretty fair trade don't u think????? LOL LOL LOL what a crock of U KNOW WHAT!!!!!! It is unbeleiveable how these companies can get away with all this maddness.But THAT is EXACTLY what a right 2 work state is.I really hate it!!! I've hated from day 1 of the beverage company I was previously employed with.Like I have mentioned over and over again NEVADA IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE!! The UNIONS have ABSOLUTELY NO SPINE in this state.And being a right 2 work state just ADDS FUEL 2 THE FIRE!!!That is another reason why unions r so freekin weak out here!!!CASINOS+BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES+CORRUPT GOVERNMENT+WEEK UNIONS=RIGHT 2 WORK STATE=A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCREW UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY IS GOING 2 STOP THEM EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, you make me sound like a mercy case..
I do have problems though, 1 is I sure wish I was born rich!
Instead of, good looking

Or maybe i should have been a Republican, nah... That would have been cheap!

cutloose · **^ Top** #**103** 10.19.2007

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Originally Posted by thelasvegasone

Unfortunately cutloose, U hit the nail right on the head.If u work in a right 2 work state u have 2 put up with alot of this shaddy stuff that is going on.Like Texas,Nevada is also a RIGHT TO WORK STATE which means (4 all of u that don't know) is when your place you're employed with can FIRE u for ANY REASON that THEY see fit WITHOUT explanation or reason why they fired u and at the same time u as an employee have the right 2 QUIT/RESIGN from a job without any notice and/or reason.Sounds like a pretty fair trade don't u think????? LOL LOL LOL what a crock of U KNOW WHAT!!!!!! It is unbeleiveable how these companies can get away with all this maddness.But THAT is EXACTLY what a right 2 work state is.I really hate it!!! I've hated from day 1 of the beverage company I was previously employed with.Like I have mentioned over and over again NEVADA IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE!! The UNIONS have ABSOLUTELY NO SPINE in this state.And being a right 2 work state just ADDS FUEL 2 THE FIRE!!!That is another reason why unions r so freekin weak out here!!!CASINOS+BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES+CORRUPT GOVERNMENT+WEEK UNIONS=RIGHT 2 WORK STATE=A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCREW UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY IS GOING 2 STOP THEM EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Something tells me for a gaming lic. in NV.. The union leaders sold unions short for businesses, because we all know, they started that town from the Northeast.. I would say its elected officals and higher ups came to and agreement or rules...

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #**104** 10.19.2007

Why wouldn't a company have the right to fire for any reason they see fit? It's their company, not yours. You work there, you get paid, other than that, they owe you nothing.

Why do people think they have the right to a privately owned and run company? If I own the company, I do as I please. You can always find a door if you don't like it.

Obviously most employers want to treat their employees well, it only makes economic sense. But to say a worker is owed a job by his employer is beyond naive.

thelasvegasone · **^ Top** #**105** 10.19.2007

U R right once again cutloose!!!!!! Vegas was actually started from the Midwest Chicago Kansas City but there was east coast influence as well.New York City,Philly etc. etc. BUT HOWEVER the unions here haven't been any good since the MISTERIOUS DISAPPEARENCE OF JIMMY HAFFA!!!heck even his OWN SON Jimmey Haffa Jr. had NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER!!!!! I geuss he must of got threatened by the mob 2 do poorly and so as a result the unions r weak!!!!! at least in Nevada.What is ironic though when the mob was open about their dealings in Vegas the Unions were the BEST!! Good insurance WONDERFUL PENSION if u were unioin especially TEAMSTERS AND CULINARY U had it made in Vegas!!!!!!!!BUT nowadays the unions r a joke.I made the BIG mistake to join the union not once but TWICE!!! I was so stupid I just got sucked in by all of their BS.I should've known better.Oh well I know the business now about unions.Now don't get me wrong I'm not ANTI-UNION but I am ANTI-UNION HERE IN NAVADA because I know how they operate!!! don't want no part of em!!!!!!!!

brtecson · **^ Top** #**106** 10.20.2007

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Originally Posted by thelasvegasone

To answer to the above question I belonged to the Teamsters Union Local chapter 12.My agent was this fellow named Curtis Richards. I really tried to fight the issues that I had with them.like when I pointed out that they were allowing MANAGEMENT IN OUR UNION. It CLEARLY stated in the UNION HANDBOOK that this was strictly PROHIBITED! I wrote to the Teamsters/International Brotherhood/AFSCME headquarters in Washington D.C. and they said there would be an investigation. I never heard anything back from them and I had already quit there anyway.Like I said before THE CASINOS AND BIG FORTUNE 500 companies have alot of POWER AND INFLUENCE here in Nevada.The Unions here r VERY WEAK out here because of this.Believe me when I tell u that the CASINOS have the Governor bought and sold here.CASINOS make a HUGE donation to the campaign funds to the Governor meaning that the Governor is going to say whatever the CASINOS want the CASINOS r going 2 get because he knows that the CASINOS r going 2 back him 100% so u see all the higher ups including the state government continues to allow these illegal activities 2 continue. I even tried 2 get the FEDS involved with this investigtion and battle that I was dealing with Teamsters.The federal government is just like the state government is.They have alot of POWER AND INFLUENCE in this state just like the CASINOS and BIG BUSINESSES here.So in other words its a LOSE LOSE situation.TEAMSTERS,CULINARY,INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS,INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TRANSPORTATION etc. etc. are allowed 2 get away with all of this because THEY know that NOBODY is going 2 STOP them!!!!!!!!!!

the management in your former union... are you referring to the salespeople?

brtecson · **^ Top** #**107** 10.20.2007

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Originally Posted by Ronnocomot

Why wouldn't a company have the right to fire for any reason they see fit? It's their company, not yours. You work there, you get paid, other than that, they owe you nothing.

Why do people think they have the right to a privately owned and run company? If I own the company, I do as I please. You can always find a door if you don't like it.

We have the right because we elected publicly voted politicians who implemented workers rights that prevent employers from unjust terminations, and a plethora of other unjust employment practices.

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #**108** 10.20.2007

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Originally Posted by brtecson

We have the right because we elected publicly voted politicians who implemented workers rights that prevent employers from unjust terminations, and a plethora of other unjust employment practices.

Yes there are laws that bar discrimination in the workplace. That is not the argument people are presenting here. The argument here sure sounds like folks think they have an implied right to a job. Well, hate break it to you, but you don't.

rex · **^ Top** #**109** 10.20.2007

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Originally Posted by thelasvegasone

Unfortunately cutloose, U hit the nail right on the head.If u work in a right 2 work state u have 2 put up with alot of this shaddy stuff that is going on.Like Texas,Nevada is also a RIGHT TO WORK STATE which means (4 all of u that don't know) is when your place you're employed with can FIRE u for ANY REASON that THEY see fit WITHOUT explanation or reason why they fired u and at the same time u as an employee have the right 2 QUIT/RESIGN from a job without any notice and/or reason.Sounds like a pretty fair trade don't u think????? LOL LOL LOL what a crock of U KNOW WHAT!!!!!! It is unbeleiveable how these companies can get away with all this maddness.But THAT is EXACTLY what a right 2 work state is.I really hate it!!! I've hated from day 1 of the beverage company I was previously employed with.Like I have mentioned over and over again NEVADA IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE!! The UNIONS have ABSOLUTELY NO SPINE in this state.And being a right 2 work state just ADDS FUEL 2 THE FIRE!!!That is another reason why unions r so freekin weak out here!!!CASINOS+BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES+CORRUPT GOVERNMENT+WEEK UNIONS=RIGHT 2 WORK STATE=A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCREW UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY IS GOING 2 STOP THEM EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

While your posts that I've been reading this morning have been interesting, you're a bit confused about what "right to work" means. Nevada, like most states, is an "employment at will" state which simply means that an employer can discharge you for any reason he or she chooses as long as it can't be proven that you were discriminated against because of race, creed, color,sex, religion, or national origin. (Federal EEOC mandates). "Right To Work" means that legally there can be no such thing as a "closed shop", i.e. union membership cannot be required as a condition of employment, even employment in a situation where the employer/ employees have signed a collective bargaining agreement. It's obvious how such a law has the effect of driving down wages and subsequently lowering the standard of living for people residing in a right to work state. Witness Wyoming.
Ronno, it pains me to say that you are way, way out in the weeds on this subject. Apparently you don't have much experience with and don't know much about unions...
rx

cutloose · **^ Top** #**110** 10.20.2007

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Originally Posted by Ronnocomot

Why wouldn't a company have the right to fire for any reason they see fit? It's their company, not yours. You work there, you get paid, other than that, they owe you nothing.

Why do people think they have the right to a privately owned and run company? If I own the company, I do as I please. You can always find a door if you don't like it.

Obviously most employers want to treat their employees well, it only makes economic sense. But to say a worker is owed a job by his employer is beyond naive.

Good Day, thats right companies need the right 2 fire, ive worked with some real lazy bums and trouble makers, in unions.
But over all the tradesmen/women have alot of yrs and experience and education. Ive met some of the best thru out the country..
Over all they are pd well to do a job, which helps in attitude, quality and safety. At present OTR drivers need to be thankful for unions, there a big supporter to keeping American drivers. There a piece of the back bone against the mexican drivers. but we know your pro mexican driver, which means you must have a financial gain.. Some times monies aint everything, theirs integrity, ethnics and American Pride! If i got offered today as a company driver to fill in for union drivers striking, $23.50 an hr. VS a $15.00 hr local job, i wouldnt do it, i would have the integrity to say, im screwing someone.. and also know once the strike is over, i wouldnt have a job.

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