So by adding 10,000 full time jobs, 10,000 part time people lost their jobs. So this expanded the job force.

Sorry, but this is a neutral growth plan.

I thought maybe it was "new math". Either way, adds up to 10k out of work.

Also adds up to 10,000 with full time benefits.
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You can't eat benefits
Can't buy gas with benefits.

etc., etc.

You all should thank the unions even if you aren't in one. Without the unions you would be making .15 cents a mile and running illegal. Just look around and see what breaking the unions has done to our country, everything is made in China or Pakistan or some other place where labor is cheap. The good news is that can't happen with trucking because we provide a service, but believe me if the owner of your company thinks he can get away with paying you less, He darn sure will!

By the same token, if you can make more somewhere else, you are free to leave.

Precisely the reason for a strong union presence, Ronno.
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I hate to think of what this country would be like had there never been a labor union. As a matter of fact I read that a prominent economist said without the labor unions there would be no middle class in this country, only the rich and the poor.

IS THAT WHY THE LAST TIME I SENT A "SMALL" PACKAGE BY NEXT DAY AIR IT COST' ME OVER 50 BUCKS. UPS "CREATES" THE JOBS BY CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THEIR SERVICES. PERIOD. I UNDERSTAND UNIONS AND I CAN AGREE WITH UNIONS ON MANY THINGS, BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE BUSINESS YOU WORK FOR, THAT LEAVES THE UNION AND YOU. THEN LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF JOBS THE UNION "CREATES". IT'S CALLED, GO HOME AND FILE FOR UNEMPLOYMENT. UNIONS DON'T CREATE JOBS. THE BUSINESS DOES.
THE ONLY JOBS THE GOVERNMENT CREATES IS A GOVERNMENT JOB; MILITARY, FBI, TSA, WELFARE OFFICE, ETC, WHICH IS PAID FOR BY TAXING BUSINESS AND PEOPLE. IT'S THE BUSINESS THAT PUTS YOU TO WORK. LET'S FACE IT, IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, I HIRE YOU, I PAY TAXES TO THE GOVERNMENT, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE GOVERNMENT. WHAT JOB DID THEY CREATE? IF THEY GIVE ME A TAX BREAK, THEN THAT ALLOWS ME TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO MY BUSINESS, WHICH "MAY" ALLOW ME TO HIRE SOMEONE ELSE, OR INCREASE YOUR WAGE. HOWEVER, IF MY BUSINESS CLOSES, YOU AIN'T WORKING, AND THE GOVERNMENT AIN'T GETTING THE TAXES. TAX BREAKS OR THE UNION WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD IF MY BUSINESS SHUTS DOWN. THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOMEONE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK AND OPEN A BUSINESS.

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I agree 100%. If anyone could walk back in time and see the conditions and almost slave-like wages and treatment the American worker had to endure, they would understand unions. You have to keep the rich business guy in check, but you also have to keep the unions in check. When human beings run business, unions, governments, they have to be controlled and watched by the people of this country. If not, they can get out of hand on either side, and someone has to regain proper control. People are always willing to take care of their own pockets, regardless of who it effects; power can corrupt. Then the people should be able to take back control of that entity. Throughout history, there has been corruption on both sides of the fence. I could never totally trust a Union, the Government, or a rich business owner. Therefore I think they are all needed to keep a close eye on each other. Funny ain't it?

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