I wouldn't count on the government to protect pensions. They didn't protect social security, they aren't fiscally responsible. They will keep borrowing and printing money until a collapse or a loaf of bread cost $5000.

Too many people on these boards say things when they don't have a clue as to what is going on in this world... that's why our country is screwed and in the shape it's in .... too many argue over 2 men running for an office which has no power or authority over what will become law, and two men who are both so lacking in leadership qualities and so far removed from the avg. American and his/her problems today... yet ya'll would fight over them both. lol People today need to learn to read, not BS sound bites, not what the candidates or the Parties or the media tell you... dig deeper, read and learn...

Am. business WAS moved to Mexico for SEVERAL reasons... ONE of which WAS cheap, or cheaper, labor. That is not, and has not been, the case for a while. READ THIS:

[March 3, 2006] More than a quarter of a million miners and steelworkers walked off the job between March 1 - 3 in wildcat strikes at 70 companies in at least eight states from central to northern Mexico virtually paralyzing the mining industry. While the strike has ended, there are reasons to believe that this could be the first act in an unfolding drama that could challenge Mexican employers, the corrupt “official” unions, and the conservative Mexican government. Stay in your seats, the play has only begun.

The strike resulted from an attempt by the government to remove the Mexican Miners Union’s top officer, general secretary Napleón Gómez Urrutia, and replace him with Elías Morales Hernández, a union dissident who is reportedly backed by the Grupo Mexico mining company. The coup d’état in their union led miners to strike insisting that the government recognize Gómez Urrutia. In many mining towns and cities they also marched and rallied demanding not only the restitution of their leader but also safer conditions. The wildcat strike erupted little more than a week after a mining accident on February 19 in San Juan de las Sabinas that left 65 dead.

The miners’ wildcat strike represents one of the largest industrial actions in recent Mexican history, an event with few precedents since the workers insurgency (la insurgencia obrera) late 1960s and early 1970s. While the strike has ended, at least temporarily, it has shaken the mining industry, the labor establishment and the government, and it could reignite and possibly spread to other sectors of the labor movement, possibly shaking the entire society.

YES people... there ARE LABOR UNIONS in Mexico. The difference is, they are no longer government controlled. So much for the statement above... "Sure if that is what you believe ...I think it is a different case though.."

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Well I see a problem here.First this is talking about miners not auto workers.Second It was said Moved to Mexico for cheap labor.No where did I see a pay scale showing high pay.Do they have the United Auto workers Union and all the bennies American Unions do?? Plus as we all know people get shot in Mexico very often for going against the Goverment.Or the Cortels.

I have a problem with our jobs going over there yes I do..

I also have a problem with union people whine about there jobs and do not look at others that have it worse then they do.

I have a problem with greed..

And with the unions pricing this country right out of there pants is not good for the economy...When jobs get outsourced..

I also have a probem because I do not think that DOT is doing much cracking down on Mexican Truckers..

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FREIGHTLINER in Portland OR is moving there Military production to the Carolina's, and moving there Western Star production to Mexico.... My buddies will be looking for other employment.... The only thing that remains is the office people. I didnt read the whole story, but I believe it starts in 2010. Nothing new here, just an addition to unemployment.

Yup and I don't think we have even seen the worse to come yet

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I think you are right in thinking we have worse problems coming down.
Subprime housing loans... Stock market collapsing ...Gov't bail outs on both. Ten $300,000.00 houses is a lot of money on bad paper.

Has any thought been given to the "subprime" auto and RV loans?

A hundred $30,000.00 SUV's and/or RV's is a lot of money on bad paper.
GM-Ford-Chrysler all ran headfirst to lease cars a few years ago. Three years later there is a glut of low mileage (33,000/3yr) cars turned back.

Then they had the "program cars". I had no idea there were that many executives that were furnished a typical car. I thought execs had limos.

Anyway, the Big 3 wound up competeing with themselves on the same lot for buyers. New car sales fell off. Prices dropped, 0 down and 0% came up, and even 84 months. Subprime buyers paradise.

There are more automobiles/SUV's/pickup trucks out there than houses.

Basic prices had gone up on everything (Routine), Wages and insurance costs have gone up (routine), so manufacturers were in a bind. Cut production to increase demand to increase sales to increase business.
This leads to job losses and no money for the consumer to consume with.
BUT, then the speculators got on oil and gasoline/diesel went sky high.
Now everything made somewhere else cost more to get here.
Everybody got greedy-Builders, real estate agents, appraisers, mortgage producers got on the band wagon and made their killings and sold them to FMae/FMac. Wall street packaged up this fraudulent paper and sold shares in these packages to "investors". WHO? Your friendly financial advisor who
invested your contribution to your 401k last year.Your balance now is?
So goes the world. Now its all got to slow down, unwind ,write off bad debt, take the losses and struggle along with a lot less.
Its gonna be a long hard winter fellows....

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and supprime loans are why you hate Unions?



most Union members I know have good mortgages and paid off toys.

The post was a commentary/reply to Hilltop's outlook on the general economy getting worse. Sorry if it seeped thru your thin skin.
I don't believe it referred to any union activity, good or bad.
I don't see where it concerned you or in any way imply that I hate unions.
Actually I don't "hate" unions. I just don't have any use for them.

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Jolliroger -

since I moderate this forum - it "IS" my business and concern.

I do not have thin skin - the issue is to stay on topic and stop rambling post.


If you wish - there are plenty of good threads about the economy and the problems we face as a nation...

This Thread "IS" Why I hate Unions.

Thanks



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