Originally Posted by knighton5

I think the Unions are slowly puttering you out. As you may have heard, Boeing is on Strike and then when they do return, some will be LAID OFF for financial reasons?? Can you imagine being on strike then going back to work, and then your handed a slip saying LAID OFF... HHhhmm.. I hope you make it to retirement before your gig comes to an end. Save up! Strike and your only hurting your own employer (and yourself). In the mean time, DRIVE SAFE

Originally Posted by knighton5

I think the Unions are slowly puttering you out. As you may have heard, Boeing is on Strike and then when they do return, some will be LAID OFF for financial reasons?? Can you imagine being on strike then going back to work, and then your handed a slip saying LAID OFF... HHhhmm.. I hope you make it to retirement before your gig comes to an end. Save up! Strike and your only hurting your own employer (and yourself). In the mean time, DRIVE SAFE

Originally Posted by ziggystyles

I agree here. I mean the first thought that came to my head was after the Big 3 renegotiated earlier this year, I believe they made some huge cuts. Plus if the companies have to retro-pay their strikers, thats another huge dent in profit.

Did anyone else catch how the big US automakers now want the gov to pay for THEIR retooling of THEIR factories?


Uh, how can it be bashing if we are non-union? Anywho...the union threads often get locked down after things heat up...lol...case in point...


I think you need to ask WHY the businesses are moving to communist China and India and other countries. The US dollar is tanking and is worth less. The companies need to make more to make up for it. Labor is cheaper in China and India. You think publicly held companies with shareholders are going to shut out an idea where they as shareholders can make more mula by shipping the company overseas?
We could argue all day, and probably will, about why Mexicans are taking some US jobs. Well, duh...they do it cheaper. They dont need to make 50 bucks an hour to turn a knob on a bulldozer.
Everyone loves the American Dream of competition and business and such...until it affects them and their lifestyle of making 200plus bucks a day for doing a job that requires the skill one can learn in a day or three, or less.
"America, land of the free, where you are free to do what you want...business is great, competition helps business as it challenges us to perform better, create a better produc.....HEY, GET OUT OF THAT, Im making 85 bucks an hour thanks to double overtime because I worked 40 hours this week!"

uh...what?
That didnt make any sense.
And besides, my mind was already wandering when after seeing a jab at "Mexicans," "India," "China"...I see "ARABS" as another jab. Sort of surprised you didnt say something like ########. No offense, I was just expecting to see that.

Besides, I betcha you are glad that the Socialist American Government bought up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, arent ya? Nice to know that our mortgage industry and the housing market is now in the hands of the government.


just because this caused great laughter, Id like to see HOW you figure that.
If Walton focused on buying ONLY American Made products, do you honestly realize how much LESS stuff Wal Mart would have and how much MORE it would cost for the same product?
And for kickers, this is hilarious...then youd be demanding even more money from your company because your income does not have the purchasing power as it does now. Couldnt buy nearly as much. So then youd demand more and maybe get more...and then the products would increase in price too, due to the demand of the supply chains various suppliers...etc. Vicious Cycle.



This is insanity. The economy if you have been following it, has been taking an airplane term...NOSEDIVING for the last year - 18 months. People are traveling less....what was it in the news last month...Billions of miles less compared to last year? The dollar is tanking and is buying less.
Airlines are for some stupid reasong starving themselves. The big carriers that can't compete...offer fares at matching prices to other carriers that dont provide them the income they need. They will match a 100 buck ticket, even IF they need 150 to break even! This was noted on an NPR segment I heard. Its a big dillema they face. If they dont match air fares, people will fly elsewhere, so they continue to fly planes and routes that cost them money instead of earn them money.
Ford and GM, they can't even afford to retool their own factories which should just be another business expense they plan for!


Yeah like...Boeing, Ford, GM, Chevy...uhm...any other union company out there pretty much fits this. Its like a roller coaster.

Originally Posted by ziggystyles

Half of this is tinfoil hat conspiracy rhetoric.

Sam built his company by buying large quantities of product, affording him a lower price. As his company grew larger and larger, he kept trying to find ways of getting cheaper products...aka China. Do you think it would have been that way if American companies could compete in prices?

Ive never heard of the line about him demanding his suppliers to move, nor the Clinton connection. First time for everything.


Yeah, ok then tell me exactly how the unions are supposed to fix the country. Id love to hear it.


This is just jealousy talking now. Getting really mad that someone can do a job cheaper than you can. Like you have a sense of entitlement to no competition and a high paying job that tons of other people could do.

This is the problem here. In every aspect of our economy, we welcome competition. Cheapest bidders on everything from homes to aerospace projects. Cheap wins out because we are all cheap. Some people think they should get obscene amounts of money for a job that others could do for a fraction of cost. Plus...frankly...no run around junk to put up with.

And I mean...compare the two products here. Like Sam did (yeah...I know)
A: wants 30 bucks an hour, plus benefits, set hours, paid sick days, paid holidays, vacation, insurance.
B: Will take 10 bucks an hour. Will work just as hard as A.

Which one do you think one would take?

Here is the point. You are a person. You need to market yourself to make yourself attractive to a employer. Why SHOULD someone choose you over a cheaper counterpart?
I know what you would say...why should you work for cheap? Well how do you determine your salary? Could go on and on with this one.



Yeah...the high fuel prices. like the 8-9 bucks and MORE that most of the rest of the world is paying per gallon and has been for a long time.

And then you Blame other countries that are growing. China is growing by leaps and bounds as well as India.

I guess its hard to argue with someone when every other line blames our troubles on the government. Thankfully for you, the heavens have parted, the ray of light hath shone and Obama walks amongst us.

But what the heck...
The houses were built by workers, American and otherwise that worked under the supervision of someone who wanted the house built. Built on money borrowed by someone who couldnt afford the house anyways because someone got a loan without proof of anything. As the mortgages increased, the lenders lowered their requirements for lending, giving homes to people who would never be able to afford them in the first place.

All by mortgage companies that are American or foreign owned who got the mortgage bug and took the risk and are now paying for it. Dont blame it on the corps, but on the shareholders that allowed it to happen. The AMERICAN shareholders, the AMERICAN boards of directors. Thats the greed you are talking about...money money money. When the Adjustable rates started adjusting, people couldnt afford the payments. The current economic situtation cant be blamed on anyone else.
Maybe we can blame this on the uninformed American consumer who gets into a situation that is too good to be true, doesnt read the fine print...and doesnt seem to care anyways? ....nahhhhh.