Are there any Truckload Union Companies - Page 7 - Truckers' Trucking Forum

mannmk7 · **^ Top** #61 09.17.2008

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Originally Posted by onionbuster

This is all very interesting but to involved for me. I'm out.

I don't blame you.

That's what this guy tries to do, he drags things out with nonsense supported by nonsense. I just had to stop talking with him.

Baack · **^ Top** #62 09.17.2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny99

In my opinion it was better for a driver before deregulation. Deregulation opened it up for the non union truckload carriers. Before deregulation it was pretty much a level playing field because the freight rates were regulated by the ICC. Rates had to be filed with the Interstate Commerce Commision. If a company wanted authority to run somewhere they had to petition the ICC for operating authority in the area they wanted to go to. It was a long process and the LTL carriers had a lot of places they were allowed to run and other carriers had to stay out of. If a carrier had a load going to an area they didn't have authority for they had to "interline" it with a carrier who did. Basically deregulation made it possible for the trucking company to go where they wanted to and charge what they wanted to charge, with a minimum of red tape. Thats when all the rate cutting got started. We also got 53 ft trailers, 102 wide trailers, and 80,000 # gross weight nationwide. Deregulation was great for the truckload industry, but the drivers didn't gain anything from it, that I can see. The DOT rules and regs stayed the same. Union companies started going out of business because they couldn't compete with the truckload carriers. In 1980 a lot of the truckload carriers were only paying 17 to 22 cents per mile. 90% of the company trucks out there were short wheelbase cab overs with no power steering, small engines{anyone remember the shiny 290's} and no A/C. After deregulation the drivers didn't make any more money, a lot of union drivers were forced to take lesser paying OTR jobs, after the union co.'s went out of business. JB, Swifty, Werner, the list is long, got where they are today because of deregulation. And they are all major players on these forums about bad company's to work for. Some will say deregulation was good, some will say its bad. I think it was bad for the drivers, but thats my opinion.

I am a little late in this discussion
But the way it was before deregulation sounds like the way the mafia would run things

Johnny99 · **^ Top** #63 09.19.2008

US government or Mafia? Both about the same in my opinion. They do what they want and you better not get in their way. The only difference I see is the government will put you in jail, the Mafia goes to jail.

FullTruckerEffect · **^ Top** #64 09.19.2008

At least the mafia shares.

ziggystyles · **^ Top** #65 09.19.2008

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Originally Posted by mannmk7

I don't blame you.

That's what this guy tries to do, he drags things out with nonsense supported by nonsense. I just had to stop talking with him.

Lol hey, if it makes you feel any better...Im the one arguing with people who say that the trucking companies are hurting the rest of the industry. When in fact, the 90% of the industry is made up of trucking companies with 20 or fewer trucks.

That and apparently, the main theme here is that...its ok to run your own business, but stay where you are told, charge a set rate (government control...hmm?), and you can only grow so much.

mannmk7 · **^ Top** #66 09.19.2008

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Originally Posted by FullTruckerEffect

At least the mafia shares.

When the Mafia ran Las Vegas you had gambling. Now business runs Las Vegas you have flat our robbery.

supertrucker6 · **^ Top** #67 03.10.2009

Oh k... I was layed off at Roadway in 06.. spent the last 3 years at USXpress.. first they have layover pay # 30 bucks after 24hrs... u cant afford to be layed over... # Roadway it was on the clock after 13th hour..... wow.. you didn't get layedover much.... ok... thank God for unions.... # usxpress detention pay.. what a joke... after 3 hours at the dock you went on the clock at 12.50 per hour... I never saw it... they said if they get it from the customer you will get it.. (BS BS) a union would make sure you had that detention on your check on Fridays payroll....I don't agree with the union on all things especially when it comes to politics but a union is only as good as its people.... I am a hard worker not a slacker....I have just wanted to be payed for my services.. most big truckload carriers want you to work for FREE....

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #68 03.10.2009

Not to defend the carrier but here's the thing about all of those extras that the carrier is supposed to be collecting from the customer. You note the word "supposed". In this climate with a lot of hungry dogs and very few bones, a lot of carriers aren't collecting or even charging for a lot of things that they did during good times. Shippers/receivers aren't paying a lot of things that they used to and for a carrier to push for a layover or detention charge isn't worth jeapordizing the account. It's not right but that's what's happening. Things will turn around and we will get paid the accessorials again but don't expect much more than you are currently getting. The truckload carrier doesn't charge anything like the LTL ones do. Being from Roadway like you were, you'll agree that there was an extra charge for everything above and beyond the rate. LTL carriers have made millions and millions of dollars a year in addition monies by charging for everything. There will have to be a turnaround before anything changes.
Here is an example of the difference in charges... Haz-mat for an entire truckload is sometimes less than $100. In the LTL world it's per shipment or per carton. Go figure. Anyway, be safe...

bduke · **^ Top** #69 03.10.2009

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Originally Posted by supertrucker6

Oh k... I was layed off at Roadway in 06.. spent the last 3 years at USXpress.. first they have layover pay # 30 bucks after 24hrs... u cant afford to be layed over... # Roadway it was on the clock after 13th hour..... wow.. you didn't get layedover much.... ok... thank God for unions.... # usxpress detention pay.. what a joke... after 3 hours at the dock you went on the clock at 12.50 per hour... I never saw it... they said if they get it from the customer you will get it.. (BS BS) a union would make sure you had that detention on your check on Fridays payroll....I don't agree with the union on all things especially when it comes to politics but a union is only as good as its people.... I am a hard worker not a slacker....I have just wanted to be payed for my services.. most big truckload carriers want you to work for FREE....

While I am not a union driver, I see your point. In fact, I see many points from others too. Just because I am an hourly employee doesn't mean that don't I have opinions on mileage drivers. This is the way I look at it. If I am in the service of the company, I need to be paid for that time in some way. When you are driving, you should be paid by the mile. When you are doing something other than driving and you are on duty, you need to be paid something as well.

Why does a company expect a driver to give free time to the company? I have not seen a company that does anything for free. I'm sorry but I don't work for free. Maybe others but not me. Yet that is what most carriers expect from their drivers. It's just plain wrong.

The company is going to make their money no matter what. You sitting for free just puts more money in thier pocket while you and your family suffer. I don't think it will ever change. And why should it? Look at how many new drivers apply and don't know the difference. Look at how many experienced drivers say, thats just the way it has always been.

Nothing is going to change. Unless poeple just start saying that it is unacceptable. Like I said, nothing is going to change.

Earl · **^ Top** #70 03.11.2009

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Nothing is going to change. Unless people just start saying that it is unacceptable. Like I said, nothing is going to change.

I agree 100%...nothing in our industry will change when it comes to drivers stepping up and requesting change. Imagine asking for remittance for everything you accomplish in a day...asking to be paid for each and every minute....if you can file a Workman's Comp claim at anytime you are in their employ, and I mean an honest claim, then you should also be earning during the same time.

I realize I'll read rebuttal here...how we'll "break" the companies...Compare it to illegals...if you give those illegals immunity...do you see them working for the same slave labor pay? I think not. They will expect, and rightly so, the same pay as the common laborer. I know...then they'll break the companies due to the fact they had not projected the cost of real labor. Trucking companies have never projected real cost because they have never paid real cost.

That being said...this is not the time to go and request anything from your employers. They struggle as we do...if you are not generating revenue, they are not either. Do not attempt to squeeze blood out of a turnip.

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