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I work for a common carrier and I make .44 a mile driving team- .48 w/safety bonus. Our solo drivers make .36 with 1 year of experience, .40 w/safety bonus. New drivers are started at .30 with the same incentives. We also get an additional .03 for hazmat and .05 for northeast.

I have also found unions to be nearly impossible to break into, my experience has been with Teamsters and IATSE(I'm in the latter, but it's hard to get work.)

Oh, and any driver working 15 hour days needs to find a new carrier, that's ridiculous.
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It is ridiculous...

but there is a whole counter culture of drivers with 0-5 years stuck in jobs / leases / training contracts making less than 30K a year - while working 70+ hours a week - and not seeing home more than 10 days a year...

It is a shame - and unfortunately a lot of large companies try and convince new drivers that THAT is the way the industry works.


Aspiring Trucker - thanks for your info... sounds like a pretty good deal you have.
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I work for a common carrier and I make .44 a mile driving team- .48 w/safety bonus. Our solo drivers make .36 with 1 year of experience, .40 w/safety bonus. New drivers are started at .30 with the same incentives. We also get an additional .03 for hazmat and .05 for northeast.

I have also found unions to be nearly impossible to break into, my experience has been with Teamsters and IATSE(I'm in the latter, but it's hard to get work.)

Oh, and any driver working 15 hour days needs to find a new carrier, that's ridiculous.
Can you mention your carrier? thx
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It is ridiculous...

but there is a whole counter culture of drivers with 0-5 years stuck in jobs / leases / training contracts making less than 30K a year - while working 70+ hours a week - and not seeing home more than 10 days a year...

It is a shame - and unfortunately a lot of large companies try and convince new drivers that THAT is the way the industry works.


Aspiring Trucker - thanks for your info... sounds like a pretty good deal you have.
SWIFT told me that in Orientation (6 years ago). If you want to make money as a truck driver (at Swift) you need to stay out atleast 3-4 weeks at a time. Of course they lose half the class right then!
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Well I dunno. This is a grand idea and I too would like to be paid for everything as well. I guess in my book, I am since Im salaried. Im paid to do my job, no matter how slow or fast I am. I like it that way. What could we do to change it?

ziggystyles, You are paid for everything. You are on salary. You receive the same money every day, week, month and year. How hard is that? Now your average pay, compared to hourly or mileage, differs greatly by how long you are on duty. Did I even have to say that?

By the hour? Eh...this would be accompanied by the sound of a airplane nosediving into the ground. Paying workers an hourly rate is a great idea...however the large companies are going to be ed over in the end by their drivers who take their time to milk out as many hours as possible. I know many others on here who are hourly say that cant happen, say it wouldnt happen...etc. But lets shoot straight; there is no way to ensure prompt delivery, zero waste of time...etc. And heck, if you pay a driver 30-x bucks an hour to drive a truck...don't tell me that 'taking their time' wouldnt happen at all. Id be more inclined to say it happens more than not.

Hourly is NOT the best way to pay OTR drivers. Although it is the only true way to be paid in any industry, you make a good point. OTR drivers need to be paid in some fashion for all of their time. Mileage for driving and hourly for all other on duty time. They would still suffer when faced with traffic. The mileage pay needs to be better than the average you read on here. Hourly pay for all other on duty time needs to be commensurate as well. Giving up any time at a customer to load/unload should be eliminated. Again, pay for all on duty time. Seems simple enough to me.

I don't know too many companies that pay a driver $30.00 per hour. They are out there though. Crane and rigging companies pay there drivers very well. There are others I'm sure.

Pay Salary? I like this idea as it pays no matter what. However, Im sure others would complain if they had to do more work / driving than others. NOt a real good way to get around this either unless you set the salary at a minimum work level, and then paid a bit more for additional driving or whatever that wasnt planned.

Salary can be very good. Yes, it pays no matter what. Most people in business are paid salary. However, it still depends on how much the company is willing to pay per day, week, month or year. If the price was right, you wouldn't need to paid anything extra for additional duties. It would all wash out in the end.

And then either way, the pay goes back to what I've been bringing up quite often on here...competitive pay. Lots of wages are through the roof for a job that one can do after learning in a classroom for 2 weeks.
Competetive pay. Do you really think that after two weeks in a classroom, drivers should know everything there is to know? Do you think that they should be paid exactly what you are paid? Do you think that you, at this time, are only as good as that two week classroom trained driver? I hope not.

Maybe OTR drivers need to be paid at a trip rate. I really don't know. One thing for sure, OTR drivers are not compensated properly, the big companies can't keep good drivers, benefits, if any, are expensive and hometime is poor at best.

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what is the normal pay range for non union LTL carriers nowadays?
Since you asked, I get about 25 bucks an hour.

The other non-union guys get about 21-22.
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I work for a common carrier and I make .44 a mile driving team- .48 w/safety bonus. Our solo drivers make .36 with 1 year of experience, .40 w/safety bonus. New drivers are started at .30 with the same incentives. We also get an additional .03 for hazmat and .05 for northeast.

I have also found unions to be nearly impossible to break into, my experience has been with Teamsters and IATSE(I'm in the latter, but it's hard to get work.)

Oh, and any driver working 15 hour days needs to find a new carrier, that's ridiculous.
knighton5 has asked where you work. While I am not looking, I would like to know as well. You were on here 8 hours ago. Why did you not respond to his question? I am sure there are many on here that would be interested.
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Since you asked, I get about 25 bucks an hour.

The other non-union guys get about 21-22.
Nice pay for a non union driver. You should have replied to the post that said "is it better to work for a non union company". By giving the name of your company, your pay, benefits and retirement they provide you, it just might explain why working for a non union company can be good too. Maybe it would prove our point that you don't have to be union to make a good living out here.
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Well I dunno. This is a grand idea and I too would like to be paid for everything as well. I guess in my book, I am since Im salaried. Im paid to do my job, no matter how slow or fast I am. I like it that way. What could we do to change it?

How did I ever miss this post?

You are paid for everything. You are on salary. It only makes sence that you work fast. The faster you work the faster you get home or off duty. If you figure your hourly wage, working slow means the same money but at a lower rate. (did I even have to say that)? If you like it that way, why would you want to change it?

By the hour? Eh...this would be accompanied by the sound of a airplane nosediving into the ground. Paying workers an hourly rate is a great idea...

It is the only true way to be paid for all of your time. That's just common sense.
however the large companies are going to be ed over in the end by their drivers who take their time to milk out as many hours as possible. I know many others on here who are hourly say that cant happen, say it wouldnt happen...etc. But lets shoot straight; there is no way to ensure prompt delivery, zero waste of time...etc. And heck, if you pay a driver 30-x bucks an hour to drive a truck...don't tell me that 'taking their time' wouldnt happen at all. Id be more inclined to say it happens more than not.

That might be true but not in all cases. Being paid by the hour can make the driver feel at ease if he runs into delays like traffic, scales, and waiting to load or unload. He knows that there will be some type of compensation for his time. If you are worried so much about drivers milking the clock, maybe a trip rate system would be in order. It sure beats the way most otr drivers are paid now.

Pay Salary? I like this idea as it pays no matter what. However, Im sure others would complain if they had to do more work / driving than others. NOt a real good way to get around this either unless you set the salary at a minimum work level, and then paid a bit more for additional driving or whatever that wasnt planned.

What drivers would complain if they new they were being paid for all of their time? Again, being paid a trip rate might be a better idea.

And then either way, the pay goes back to what I've been bringing up quite often on here...competitive pay.

Competetive pay? What do you consider as competetive? It seems that most carriers pay around the same mileage pay and benefit packages. Some are better than others but most just try to "KEEP" people in the drivers seat. Judging by the amount of driver turnover in these companies, they are not doing a very good job.

Lots of wages are through the roof for a job that one can do after learning in a classroom for 2 weeks.
What do you consider as "through the roof"? Does that mean any other driver who makes more than you do? Better benefits? Better home time? Do you think that the driver that just gets out of the classroom should be paid the same as a driver with experience or should there be a graduating pay scale that rewards drivers for experience and time at their company?

I would be happy to explain trip rate pay if you want to know about it. I did it for 3 years. It is a good system that might work well for otr drivers as well as regional/local. It did for me when I was a regional/local driver for that company.
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