Hoffa: Teamsters to cut ties with KeyCorp - Page 2 - Truckers' Trucking Forum

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #11 02.01.2009

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Originally Posted by rocknroll nik

Ron I didn't say that I approve of what the teamsters do or unions in general. I was just playing devils advocate. Please don't hate me....LOL

I wasn't going after your comment, rather latanea's "solidarity" remark.

I have had the pleasure of dealing with Unions from both sides of the gate...I can smell a scam a hundred miles away from both sides of the bargaining table.

The Unions have lost their purpose in which they fairly represent those who would prefer to have collective bargaining rather than dealing with the management directly. That is all fine and dandy if you, as a Union member accept those conditions and accept the fact that you will pay for that "privilege" in representation.

The Unions' other responsibility was to train members in funded (from supplemental dues) schools to train them for jobs or to upgrade them for better jobs. That used to be the case and I can vouch that the Construction Teamsters had a great CDL school at one time.

But as of late, the quality that they turn out is lacking and the Union's officers care more about themselves than the Rank and File.

rocknroll nik · **^ Top** #12 02.01.2009

I know I was just trying to put a little humor in here. Sometimes I just can't help it.

mjstef · **^ Top** #13 02.01.2009

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Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

But as of late, the quality that they turn out is lacking and the Union's officers care more about themselves than the Rank and File.

Boy you said a mouth full there!!!!!!!

caraldo · **^ Top** #14 02.01.2009

I understand the many anti-union voices here. I have seen many of the things they cite, and I also know many here have personal experiences with unions, especially teamsters. Put aside your distaste, apathy, and hate for a minute and answer this:

Can you honestly say that you would feel the same way if Oak Harbor decided to end their relationship with Key bank because of Key banks dealing with the teamsters? Or would that be an understandable business decision? That's what this is. A business decision. If I was a teamster member at oak harbor, locked out of my job, probably not going back, and my union, which I had helped support, was doing business with the company, I would damn well expect them to end their relationship. It may only end up being symbolic, I don't know about the state of Key bank if 18 billion will phase them or not. But the teamster sure don't owe key bank their business anymore than anybody else does.

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #15 02.01.2009

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Originally Posted by rocknroll nik

No I don't think it's extortion it's just the unions. And if more than just the teamsters start pulling out of that bank because of "solidarity" with their fellow union members it could hurt this bank.
Right now the teamsters are going to collapse the banks stability 18 billion dollars are going to be traneferred out of their institution. I don't care where you are from from 18 billion is one heck uv a lot of greenbacks. In the current state of the economy a major pull out like that will not only hurt this financial institution but could possibly cripple it.
Think about it for a minute how do you think the bank subsidized the loan to that company with the 18 billion the teamsters have in it.
Just my opinion tho

Excellent points!

btw whats that high risk thingy you got under your sn???

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #16 02.01.2009

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Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

But as of late, the quality that they turn out is lacking and the Union's officers care more about themselves than the Rank and File.

It's been a very, very long time since the Union has really cared anything about the Rank and File. A very long time indeed.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #17 02.01.2009

I spent over 20 years as a member of unions.

I have seen the lunacy of Business agents telling me how to run my jobs when I was a supervisor. Telling me that I should use member "A" over member "B". It's just not businesses that pull "fast ones", your Union officers are not angels and they certainly are not your friends. They'll sell you out just as fast as you signed on with them. Ask any Teamster who was shifted from the Master Labor Agreement to the Utility Agreement back in the early '90's.

mjstef · **^ Top** #18 02.01.2009

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Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

I spent over 20 years as a member of unions.

I have seen the lunacy of Business agents telling me how to run my jobs when I was a supervisor. Telling me that I should use member "A" over member "B". It's just not businesses that pull "fast ones", your Union officers are not angels and they certainly are not your friends. They'll sell you out just as fast as you signed on with them. Ask any Teamster who was shifted from the Master Labor Agreement to the Utility Agreement back in the early '90's.

Ron, What i find with most Union people is they have been so brainwashed by the Union they CANNOT see the bad and can see NO OTHER way. I was once one of those people and consider myself lucky to get out. I am a Foreman for a very small company now and i am very happy. If the owner makes $$$ i make $$$ so i try my best to make him $$$ as he has laid a half million dollars on the line to buy the equipment i run!

caraldo · **^ Top** #19 02.02.2009

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Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

I spent over 20 years as a member of unions.

I have seen the lunacy of Business agents telling me how to run my jobs when I was a supervisor. Telling me that I should use member "A" over member "B". It's just not businesses that pull "fast ones", your Union officers are not angels and they certainly are not your friends. They'll sell you out just as fast as you signed on with them. Ask any Teamster who was shifted from the Master Labor Agreement to the Utility Agreement back in the early '90's.

I understand completely Ron. However, in this particular discussion, I don't see anything wrong with this move by the teamsters.

latanea · **^ Top** #20 02.02.2009

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Originally Posted by Roadmedic

I really doubt that anything they do at Key Bank will have a major effect on the bank.
The odds that all the union people bank at one bank are huge. The small attack will not damage the bank that much.

The loan was made and as long as Oak Harbor pays according to it, there is no recourse.

Unions need to think things through.

Sounds like extortion.

18 billion will have a major effect

this is just the cash that the UNION has at Key - not members.

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