Activists Rally for Bill Requiring Open Voting to Form Unions - Page 10 - Truckers' Trucking Forum

Mooney · **^ Top** #91 02.19.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

You are absolutely free to state what you like...God Bless America! Forced unionism...now that's a new twist. Test dummy forced to submit application of employment with known union workforce...Stay tuned for sequel...Test dummy found with Obama logo boxers...

You can't dispute facts. Right to work states have lower overall unemployment than those that are not right to work.

End of discussion.

Earl · **^ Top** #92 02.19.2009

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Originally Posted by Mooney

You can't dispute facts. Right to work states have lower overall unemployment than those that are not right to work.

End of discussion.

So wrong to think I cannot dispute. What I do dispute is your failing attempt to spin one factor as the sole determination of a state's state of affairs...mainly their unemployment rate....

Knowledge is Power...embrace it.

End of discussion....do not attempt to rebut....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Earl · **^ Top** #93 02.19.2009

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Opponents of the Employee Free Choice Act
Coalition for a Democratic Workplace (CDW) The deceptively-titled astroturf group claims a workers’ rights agenda and a grassroots base representing "rank-and-file workers from across the country" who are opposed to the Employee Free Choice Act.
• MEMBERSHIP: Grassroots claim conceals corporate agenda. CDW masquerades as a workers’ rights group, mimicking the rhetoric and even logo of legitimate organizations. Not surprisingly, no workers are named as members on CDW’s website, but hundreds of national, deep-pocketed groups and their affiliates are—including the National Association of Manufacturers, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and the National Retail Federation.
U.S. Chamber of Commerce The nation’s most powerful business lobbying organization co-chairs the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace.
• RESOURCES: The Chamber’s war chest. In 2006, the Chamber spent a record $72 million on lobbying. VP for labor policy Randel Johnson told The New York Times, "We’ve targeted [The Employee Free Choice Act] as our No. 1 or No. 2 priority to defeat."
• TACTIC: CDW and Chamber join forces to make "people feel pain." Operating from the same playbook and talking points, both CDW and the Chamber have launched extensive media campaigns in target states to shame and reprimand House Representatives who voted to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, and intimidate Senators out of following suit. In a Congress Daily article about the expensive ad buy, a Chamber spokesperson said, "We’re making people feel pain."
Center for Union Facts This PR-focused front group creates lavish ads and relentless spin to try to damage the public image of unions and further an anti-union business climate.
• LEADERSHIP: Alcohol, tobacco, and fast food industry hired gun Rick Berman. The group is a creation of notorious industry lobbyist and PR flak Richard Berman, who has mounted campaigns for his corporate backers to relax drunken driving laws, discount public health concerns about obesity, and prevent increases in the minimum wage.
• TACTIC: Over-the-top radio, TV, and print ads. In August 2006, Montana’s Attorney General Mike McGrath called the Center’s $1 million ad campaign attacking public employees "inaccurate" and "demeaning." Similarly, a number of television stations refused to air commercials produced by the Center in 2006.
• TACTIC: Playing loose and dirty with the facts. Berman routinely misinterprets data, grossly exaggerates, and offers dubious statistics to further the agenda of his corporate clients. For example, as the Senate launched hearings and introduced the Employee Free Choice Act in March 2007, the Center released misleading figures based on National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) data that minimized the number of illegal firings during union election campaigns. Both Republican and Democratic Senate staff requested clarification on the group’s claims from the NLRB. Staff at the NLRB swiftly responded to report Berman’s data cannot be substantiated.

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misinterprets data

.....Ring a bell?

Mooney · **^ Top** #94 02.19.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

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.....Ring a bell?

Bureau of Labor Statistics

Earl · **^ Top** #95 02.20.2009

You win Mooney...excellent rebuttal...allow me to join your venture in adding useless facts to this board...let's see...

# Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated
# Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite
# There are 293 ways tomake change for a dollar
# There are more chickens than people in the world
# Almonds are a member of the peach family
# Al Capone’s card said he was a used furniture dealer

Hope this helps.....love....Earl

bigblue19 · **^ Top** #96 02.20.2009

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If you live in a right to work state, you are statically more likely to be employed than if you lived in a state with forced unionism.

Yea but they think businesses just pop up out of no where, and that employment is a right, and not earned. Just like they believe the hired help has a right to the companies profits and the state should force them to be split it among the hired help.

When you get the Unions in a operation you get a bunch of people who become accustomed to a sense of entitlement that go home every night after a hard day of slacking thinking it does not matter what I produce I will have the union backing to keep me employed into perpetuity.

One look at the waistline of your average cop or the great job the teachers Union does educating the masses tells you that.

I worked for a Union and it sure was not my idea to string up a hammock in the back of the truck instead of coming back for more work.

Earl · **^ Top** #97 02.20.2009

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Originally Posted by bigblue19

Yea but they think businesses just pop up out of no where, and that employment is a right, and not earned. Just like they believe the hired help has a right to the companies profits and the state should force them to be split it among the hired help.

When you get the Unions in a operation you get a bunch of people who become accustomed to a sense of entitlement that go home every night after a hard day of slacking thinking it does not matter what I produce I will have the union backing to keep me employed into perpetuity.

One look at the waistline of your average cop or the great job the teachers Union does educating the masses tells you that.

I worked for a Union and it sure was not my idea to string up a hammock in the back of the truck instead of coming back for more work.

First question would be....who are "they"? They have the right to profits...hmmmm....I thought they had a right to earn a fair days pay for a fair day of work...if that wage would be paid from profit...so be it. I was under the assumption that most companies pay wages out of their profits...didn't realize they were wrong for working for a wage...

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When you get the Unions in a operation you get a bunch of people who become accustomed to a sense of entitlement

Finally you stated something that might bear some truth....I truly have a sense of entitlement. Hope my company sees that...

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after a hard day of slacking thinking it does not matter what I produce I will have the union backing to keep me employed into perpetuity.

No wonder you have a bad taste for unions...you see...to me a union's job is to protect it's members from contract violations...not to promote their unworthy work ethics. If any employee...union or non union..."slacks", it is management responsibility to discipline...not the union's. If a union would save a "slacker's" job it would be due to manangement ineptness and ignorance of the bargaining agreement....in other words...they do not know the right way to cease employment...this occurs ...I agree...but unless management wishes to enroll my services, they'll have to educate themselves...reading their contract would be a great first step. I do not want to work next to a slouch either...we agree on this...BTW...those slackers you mentioned...they were slackers before they paid their first dues...otherwise pal...you too would today be a slacker and I don't believe that to be a truth.

And as far as waistlines go...ever been to a truck stop and see how truckers wear their seniority badges on their beltlines?....that is their choice to live life as they do....police do not hold the trophy for that remark...

ziggystyles · **^ Top** #98 02.20.2009

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One look at the waistline of your average cop or the great job the teachers Union does educating the masses tells you that.

Hey now! lol. Don't get me started here.

bigblue19 · **^ Top** #99 02.21.2009

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First question would be....who are "they"? They have the right to profits...hmmmm....I thought they had a right to earn a fair days pay for a fair day of work...if that wage would be paid from profit...so be it.

Well then you thought wrong. If this was the case then the players Union in the NFL would be up in arms that their players where making millions to play a game many play for free. Fairness would dictate that they made much less in the interests of fairness, right? Of course not. The wage a person makes is based on what their skills and production will command, and what they are then offered and agree to for that work. Fairness is established by what is agreed to, not by what one perceives as fair. The agreement established at the time of hire is what is fair.

Not even the most hard core hammer and sickle toting union enforcer would agree to renegotiate payment for a product and or service after the fact yet they claim it is their right in the workplace? Hypocritical at best, and certainly unfair.

If a owner of the business decides to not be fair with the wages, then it is the employees right not to work there, and seek what they perceive to be fair elsewhere.

The fair days pay for a fair days work is just a naive propaganda attempt by the Socialists indoctrinators that permeate the Union halls who wish to try and set wage and price controls at companies not based om market forces. They have already tried this people and it does not work. When you take the incentive to succeed out of the owner and to produce out of the worker, you end up with a failed society and guys goose stepping down the street.

Earl · **^ Top** #**100** 02.21.2009

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hammer and sickle toting union enforcer

A true union man would not hold both a hammer and a sickel....do I need to start class in here?

Do you see 90% of the workforce leading the other 10%? ...

I will be going to a non union job shortly....could you please tell me where I get my spine removed in anticipation of my next employment?...sickel and hammer...you're killig me here....

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