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MO family man · **^ Top** #**101** 02.21.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

First question would be....who are "they"? They have the right to profits...hmmmm....I thought they had a right to earn a fair days pay for a fair day of work...if that wage would be paid from profit...so be it. I was under the assumption that most companies pay wages out of their profits...didn't realize they were wrong for working for a wage...

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This is where the problem seems to lie. People that have never actually employed someone else attempting to lecture those that have in how to run a business. Profit is what is left AFTER the bills are paid. Labor cost is a bill. Profit, depending on how the business is set up is either the owners paycheck(In the case of many small businesses) or is owned by the shareholders. You the worker have no "Right" to the profits. If you desire a cut of the profits then you may purchase a share of the company but with that ownership comes the risk. Risk is what seems to be the part that the collectivized part of society doesn't understand. The independent minded around us are willing to bet on themselves in the hope that they will come out better for it. Union members tend to seek the safety of the herd and are willing to trade the possibility of a better life for it.

Earl · **^ Top** #**102** 02.21.2009

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People that have never actually employed someone else attempting to lecture those that have in how to run a business.

I truly apologize...I had no idea I was attempting to lecture you, above all people. Hopefully we can place this huge judgement error behind us...

With that being said, and I'll type real slow so you can keep up, unions ask for, and receive, a fair wage...now Mr. Businessman...you can pay us out of profits....no law against that...or you might call it revenue...bottomline....we negotiate...you either agree, or you do not. Law allows organization.

Do not be afraid, Mr. Businessman....10% of the workforce are union...that allows you a 90% labor pool of unorganized labor...yet you complain.

BTW....I earned my Business Management degree from Kansas State...I also hold an A&P license, not a real newsflash here, but the trucking profession is being influxed by displaced professionals daily...you might consider upgrading to spellcheck.

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Union members tend to seek the safety of the herd and are willing to trade the possibility of a better life for it.

I will not brag, or place, my annual salary here...you can find our contract online if you wish to see how well the herd did attaining their better life. I will put my better life against 80% of the non unionized worker's better life you speak of...you see Mr Businessman...we have attained it, we do not seek it.

Who would think educated workers would seek unionship...go fish...

walleye · **^ Top** #**103** 02.21.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

...go fish...

Go where????,.............

Baack · **^ Top** #**104** 02.21.2009

You guys please keep it respectful !!!!!

MO family man · **^ Top** #**105** 02.21.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

I truly apologize...I had no idea I was attempting to lecture you, above all people. Hopefully we can place this huge judgement error behind us...

Forgiven.

With that being said, and I'll type real slow so you can keep up, unions ask for, and receive, a fair wage...now Mr. Businessman...you can pay us out of profits....no law against that...or you might call it revenue...bottomline....we negotiate...you either agree, or you do not. Law allows organization.

Go ahead and type fast, I'll just read slow or reread in an attempt to figure out what you are trying to say. Again here in big boy land words have meaning. Profit (or bottem line for that matter) are what's left after the bills. Where exactly did that degree come from? Never mind my spell check you need to fire off a letter demanding a refund.

Do not be afraid, Mr. Businessman....10% of the workforce are union...that allows you a 90% labor pool of unorganized labor...yet you complain.

Was I complaining? I was trying to explain to you why some folks may not agree with you. Next I will attempt to teach my pet rock to sit up and beg. Anyone care care to make wagers on which will happen first?

BTW....I earned my Business Management degree from Kansas State...I also hold an A&P license, not a real newsflash here, but the trucking profession is being influxed by displaced professionals daily...you might consider upgrading to spellcheck.

Ah yes the degree thing.

I will not brag, or place, my annual salary here...you can find our contract online if you wish to see how well the herd did attaining their better life. I will put my better life against 80% of the non unionized worker's better life you speak of...you see Mr Businessman...we have attained it, we do not seek it.

Others have and lucky for me I ended up in the other twenty percent.

Who would think educated workers would seek unionship...go fish...

Different strokes for different folks?

MO family man · **^ Top** #**106** 02.21.2009

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Originally Posted by Baack

You guys please keep it respectful !!!!!

I have respect pouring out of me.

Earl · **^ Top** #**107** 02.22.2009

Did not mean any disrespect...disgust at times...but no disrespect...I promise to work on my people skills...

Perry Lake has great Walleye....

bigblue19 · **^ Top** #**108** 02.23.2009

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Risk is what seems to be the part that the collectivized part of society doesn't understand.

They understand the risk, they just don't want to share in the bad times of a company, only the good times when there is profit. Their sense of entitlement has now shifted to the taxpayer now that the company can't sustain the bleed out of money to people sitting at home.

2+2 does not equal 5. Sooner or later the demands of the Union and it's extortion through strikes will mean the demise of most businesses that compete in a world marketplace.

Even a non business person with common sense knows you can't keep paying higher wages and money to non workers without it sooner or later making your product to expensive to justify or make a profit off of.

So what is the Unions answer? Don't give in till the company can't get anymore handouts from the taxpayer.

Cybergal · **^ Top** #**109** 02.27.2009

New US labour legislation would help others win union rights, says UPS worker

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A UPS Freight worker in the US has said he is backing the new Employee Free Choice Act so that other workers are able to benefit from the same union rights as he. The act is due to be considered by the US Congress later this year.
Fred Hargrove, a Teamster member, who has worked for UPS Freight, formerly Overnite Transportation, for more than 20 years, mainly without union backing, shared his thoughts on the new act at a press conference in Raleigh, North Carolina last week. Teamsters Local 391 and other labour, religious and community groups held the meeting to express support for the EFCA and to challenge an event hosted by an anti-labour coalition, involving big business, which is fighting the pro-worker legislation.
http://www.itfglobal.org/news-online...ewsdetail/3085

retardwriterinthesun · **^ Top** #**110** 03.01.2009

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Originally Posted by Earl

A true union man would not hold both a hammer and a sickel....do I need to start class in here?

Do you see 90% of the workforce leading the other 10%? ...

I will be going to a non union job shortly....could you please tell me where I get my spine removed in anticipation of my next employment?...sickel and hammer...you're killig me here....

No Earl,you'll need your spine.You'll be moving into an area of the work force that needs you to be ignorant to your rights.They say,if you don't like it quit.You need a spine to say no,fire me.Then you'll need your spine when they fire you to maintain a positive attitude as you continue looking for work,while your enjoying unemployment benefits,because you won't find a job.That's only because you know your rights.Because you know your rights,they will make sure you think twice about exercising those rights in the future.Does this sound familiar? People on unemployment are lazy.They don't want to work.This is said to demoralize a man while he enjoys his freedom to look for quality work.While all along the companies your applying at won't hire you until your benefits run out so they can get a good year and a half out of you,because they know you have to keep your mouth shut while you build back up your benefit.So you see,you'll need your spine.That's only one example and trust me you'll be there.

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