Originally Posted by Mooney

That better?

Originally Posted by ziggystyles

This is part of the problem...union supporters taking their views to the extreme side of the issue. As if everything that happens in the workforce is because of them and for some odd reason, I should be thankful.


This might be the case in some places, but my job is my job. Union or non...I could personally care less about my 'brothers' job. I don't need to look at something and say 'hey thats unsafe"....and tell someone else who might possibly tell it to management, when I could just as well go to management myself. I practice what I preach here. If I have a problem with the way my trailer is loaded or if they screwed up...I don't hesitate for one minute to get on the line and let it be known.

Our boss making more money. As such in most capitalist systems, those who succeed and improve and show drive, they move up the ladder. Not just because they held onto the ladder the longest. As such, the upper management should make more money than the 'labor' at the bottom of the ladder. I don't see any good reason why management should make as much or less money than its labor force.


I haven't heard of many / ANY jobs where this has been the case. Personally, I feel that if its a holiday, and you want to stay home...then fine. I just don't see why a company should pay you for not working. But thats just me. Paying more for medical. Well the company could pay more and more like it always does, or it might actually for once (or whatever) pass the added expense onto the person who needs the medical coverage. Heaven forbid you actually shop for cheaper insurance, or at the very least...something you have to pay for out of your own pocket in order to provide for your family.


This actually makes sense and is a good argument for the non-union side. The employer is the one who created the company, and your job and they should pay you a competitive wage, plus any benefits they wish to provide to aquire AND keep your labor skills.
This is just the case with many Owner Ops out there and their beef with brokers. The broker might get 2 grand to move a load, and pay the O/O 1 grand to move it. Then the Owner Op gets torked off when he finds out what the broker was paid to move it. He was more than happy to move it in the first place, but then gets really mad at what he COULD have made. Instead of saying "no" or shopping around for a better job / load...he took what he thought was good.
The argument is the same in the workforce. If there is a demand for labor, a employer will create a job, its pay and any benefits they wish to provide. Ontop of that, they might pay you for not working (sick, death in the family, dog dies, you fake it....etc). You as the labor, have the choice in the matter to shop around for a job that you want. You shouldn't join a company, only to collaborate together to force your employer to pay you more than you originally accepted.


When you really think about it, this is a selfish argument. I mean...is there really a point behind it? Thanks to the unions, some people CAN'T work every day. Just because union members only want to work 25% of the time available....that doesn't mean other people wouldn't like to work more. Right now...Im sitting at home, not working. Not making money, not doing anything. I personally would like to be working right now. Lol however, due to the unions that work with my freight at the beginning of the line...Im forced against my will (like an employer) to not make money today.



Also, thanks to the unions who tout their efforts for the current HOS, I legally can't even have a second job. So...in all reality, in my current job, Im forced to not many any more money.
Yeah, thanks guys for your efforts to force me to not work anymore. I really appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Earl

You set the forums, knowing the issues you present are controversial, and ask members to participate in, are bound to get into discussions, even somewhat heated at times...then you state we get to personal?

Asking Moon to fetch water is to personal?...was meant to be funny...didn't realize it was offensive...out on the farm I fetch water all day long, come to think of it, I did notice the barn cats laughing once...way out of line.

At no time did I feel Moon, or anyone else, get to personal with me...and I hope I did not with anyone. We engage in heart felt issues in here...Moon would never change his reasoning...nor would I. What one would seem "to personal", those engaged do not...but we are not the Moderators and I realize this....

I'll try not to respond to the forums here..can't trust my fingers, never know what they'll type 'till I post.

Originally Posted by bigblue19

Yea I will try, but it is hard when you have the benefactor of millions of Union dollars telling Americans that less of them will have access to the "stimulus package" because the wages paid need to be Union scale.

And if that was not insulting enough, the Union benefactor suggested to the DOD that veterans should pay for service related injuries with private insurance.

When I hear Union workers talk about fairness I laugh in disgust because I see no fairness in keeping people on the unemployment line so a few can benefit from entitlement programs.

When I hear the Union faithful say they are 100% American while the person they voted into office tries to put the wounded veterans of are wars into bankruptcy under a mountain of medical debt. I question their judgement if they are indeed true Americans, why would they support such actions?

Originally Posted by Earl

You set the forums, knowing the issues you present are controversial, and ask members to participate in, are bound to get into discussions, even somewhat heated at times...then you state we get to personal?

Asking Moon to fetch water is to personal?...was meant to be funny...didn't realize it was offensive...out on the farm I fetch water all day long, come to think of it, I did notice the barn cats laughing once...way out of line.

At no time did I feel Moon, or anyone else, get to personal with me...and I hope I did not with anyone. We engage in heart felt issues in here...Moon would never change his reasoning...nor would I. What one would seem "to personal", those engaged do not...but we are not the Moderators and I realize this....

I'll try not to respond to the forums here..can't trust my fingers, never know what they'll type 'till I post.

Originally Posted by ziggystyles

Well now Im just not going to do it, just for the fact that it gets you so riled up about it. I mean...everytime you post something to me, you keep on with the "why dont you post something"...tirade. I openly talk about it on here with no questions asked. Why you continue to repeatedly ask me to post a seperate thread is beyond me.

Now thats funny. I am not riled up at all. Just the opposite. I just find it sad that you can't seem to tell others how good Schneider is. If you look at posts from other drivers about their companies, they always say how good their company is be describing the working conditions, pay, benefits, vacation, hometime etc. You can't seem to do that. I think we all know why. This forum is designed to help drivers find a good company to work at and the ones to avoid. Your lack of promoting Schneider speaks very loud.



Hey, Im simply pointing out what everyone says and refers to in regards to the HOS regulations, that it was heavily influenced by the organized union workforce.

Well at least some are organized. The funny thing is that there are a lot of organized companies that are not union. I work for one of them. It's called Airgas. Stop worrying about what everyone says and do your own research on the FMCSA. You might just be suprised.

Oh SNI pays me well enough. I simply have more bills than Id like to. Prett much, most of the money we make is spent on paying down bills and debt. If I got paid more...id still be in the same boat because Id be paying even more on debt. For example, last year we had over 7 grand in medical expenses (lol woooo...with union medical insurance!!)

Nice jab at the expense of some union.

that we had to pay out of pocket. Ontop of that, we fork over $2500 in housing. So...Im always looking for ways to make more money, no matter where I work.

Welcome to the club. As long as you are driver, you will have to abide by the FMCSA. If you don't like, change it. What you do on your off time is your business as far as any one of us are concerned. Just don't get caught.

Nice jab at SNI tho...cheesy, like I didn't see it coming...but nice try.