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Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA news here. Are you a member of the Teamsters, OOIDA or another Organization involved with trucking or transportation? What are the good and bad sides to Unions? Discuss the finer points of Unions or Organizations here.

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if you guys dont mind, ill wade in here. having been on both sides of this, i cant see any reason why a non-union person would have any objection to this. if you dont want a union, dont sign the card, if you do, sign it. pretty simple.
And if you don't sign it, we know where you live.
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Mooney, you know this for a fact, or just conjecture?
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It really isn`t about arguing the self check outs...more about my response to a post suggesting workers doing other peoples work, therefore eliminating jobs...but since you asked...
First off...Like I said...They have 30 check outs and only 2 are open..."their thinking" is...if the lines are long at the 2 open registers, people will use the self check out and they save on having to pay wages for cashiers.
The problem here is that you think you know what they are 'thinking' because of what you see. hence "their thinking is." If we follow the same line of logic...we could also say "their thinking is to reroute customers to the shiney pretty flooring instead of the dull non-shiney flooring"

Again, like I said, most stores that have registers have many people trained in on them. If there are 40 people working in the store...its a good bet that 30+ of them are trained to use the registers. no sense in keeping cashiers up at the front of the store if there is no need for one.

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...alternative buying expierence? What..are they providing snacks and entertainment?
Like I said in my last post...stores try to build around the customer. The whole process is a science almost. Their goal is to get the customer in and out as quick as possible...while at the same time...getting them to buy as many things as possible inside the store. Customers like fancy doo-dads, just like anyone else. Many times, a customer might chose to go to a store because they know they can get one or two things and run through the self-checkout quickly and be on their way instead of waiting in a longer line.

For example: stores used to take only cash and checks. Then they started using credit cards and started to get more and more people coming in. Then stores started allowing other businesses in, such as hair stylists, restaurants, banks, photographers, arcades, doctors...etc. Its all designed to provide a service to the customer to make their store more appealing than the competition.

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...now your contradicting yourself...See second off above.
lol no Im not contradicting myself. The self-checkouts are, like I said, designed for those who have smaller purchases andwould like to leave the store quicker. While a self-checkout may be slower than a regular cashier...the fact that you are only buying one or two items, means you will STILL be able to get out of the store generally faster than a customer who has a larger order in a regular line. From what I have noticed, self-checkouts don't allow you to ring through a bunch of items quickly...the scanner on those only seems to work so fast. At the same time, if you stand in a line of 3 or four people with only a few items each, you still will get out sooner than the larger order in the attended register lane.

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...like I said the local grocer just installed 15' conveyors for people with full baskets.
again, like I said....this gives the customer a different buying experience. Is there some sort of Federal law that says you must have a cashier ringing up your products?

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See Moon`s post about robots above....and minimum wage cashiers?..like I said I don`t shop at WalMart...Cashiers around these parts make $9-$10 per hour
Well I agreed with Mooneys comments. However, don't compare ours and think we are talking about the same worker. I took his comments to mean the organized labor worker.

Case in point. I was watching Modern Marvels or...something similar on the History Channel yesterday. They doing a segment on the history of snack foods, and they tied it in with companies today. One company...forgot which one it was...bought a machine that palletized boxes. Swing over to pick up boxes and puts them on a pallet. Repeats until a full pallet is formed..then starts all over. That machine has saved the company 2 million dollars, if I remember correctly in the 2 years it had been running.

In the grocery world when you talk about implementing new technologies...its a very risky manuever because of the high cost involved. The profit margin in the grocery sector is fairly small and installing new equipment isn't done on a whim.

Over the long run, automation DOES save a ton of money. Even more so when the automation happens to replace a higher cost worker. No offense to anyone...but the higher of a cost a worker is...the more a company saves by automation...IF that automation is something they can justify.

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My point about the elderly lady I spoke of wasn`t about her not being able to figure out how to pump her own gas...or about me losing my High School job to technology...it was about the fact that stations, to stay competetive, have streamlined to the point of not giving any service at all... including the elderly or the handicapped. Not all of us have the capability to check the oil or put air in a tire...there is a little more to it than just a "swipe of your card" as you said.
I understand what you are trying to say here. However, I feel safe to say that most people that go to a gas station...want to fill up their tank and get on the road. Most people don't want someone to come running out to their car. If it was something that the gas stations thought their customers truly wanted, what is stopping them from tossing someone out there to provide that service?

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Let’s see: Low wages, no decent health benefits, overtime off the clock, discrimination, illegal aliens, verbal abuse - sounds just like Bangladesh doesn’t it...more thorougly enjoyable reading below.
Oh lord...you just opened up a can of worms here, lol.
*Low wages - according to who? they pay a competitive wage, comparable to similar jobs in the area. When I worked there, my pay went up 1.10 an hour in 3 months. They also provide a $1 dollar an hour increase on overnight and Sunday shifts, something nobody else in the retail world does. The wages very well might be low, for someone who is unable to control their spending lifestyle. Sorry, this argument doesn't fly.

*No decent health benefits - Wal Mart is not obligated at all to provide any benefits. They DO provide health benefits. But then again, since you said you never shopped there (and I assume never worked there)...you seem to only believe what people who hate WM spread as lies.

*overtime off the clock - or not. This was a small issue in a few stores of the thousands they have. It also has been settled in court. When I worked there...I got reamed for working over my hours. I got paid for it...but it was something I was not supposed to do without taking a break. They have things in place that prevent this from happening. Cashiers can't work more than x hours before their register locks them out and shuts down. This includes other employees who go up to run the registers as the time clock is tied into the register computer.
The time clocks are also tied in with management computers so that if we miss a punch out...it raises a flag on their end. Way to bring up something that is ....how many years old?

*illegal aliens - uh...lol. yeah. Wal Mart subcontracted with a janitorial cleaning company to hire workers to clean its stores. Lets completely skip the company who actually hired the workers, and go right to the top because...its Wal Mart, wooo. Never mind the fact that of the 250 illegal aliens...only TEN were actual employees of Wal Mart.
I don't see you up in arms when various political figures are caught red handed with illegals working in their house.

*verbal abuse - this is an actual....are you serious?

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This 4 year old article is based on results from an investigation that went until 2002.

The problem they found was that 16 and 17 year olds are apparently too young to load cardboard into a big metal box and push the 'compact' button. They said there were several other incidents, but they didn't mention any in the article. Well they mentioned a forklift...but the forklifts they use are only used outside the building and are never used on anything heavy. Child Labor!!!

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This article by a organization that is completely against Wal Mart is on a finding that Wal Marts supplier factories in 3rd world countries practice labor violations. I mean...how smart to you have to be to know that...there are NO good labor laws in any 3rd world country...NO MATTER the American company that runs them. If WalmartWatch wasn't so dead set against WM, they might actually have done a better investigating job and researched ALL OTHER American Retailers. Kinda makes you wonder what their aim is when they are totally against WM, and their article...just so happens to bash WM. What are the odds people!?

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hmm...does anyone see a trend here? I mean...you are using sites that not only are totally against WM in every way, they use all sorts of figures and reports that in themselves are biased against WM. Can they be anymore one sided?
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if you guys dont mind, ill wade in here. having been on both sides of this, i cant see any reason why a non-union person would have any objection to this. if you dont want a union, dont sign the card, if you do, sign it. pretty simple.
....pretty much sums it up
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Ziggy...I know Walmart takes a beating in the media and to be fair I just tried to find some positive articles....I googled fair reporting on Walmart, good things about Walmart and finally, Good news about Walmart....and the first 2 pages of links for each were 95% negative except the 5% that were put out by Walmart themselves. I`m gonna go out on a limb and say....I don`t think its just me. So, lets just say we agree to disagree and leave at that...as well as the self check outs, now that it was blown off point and we kinda took the thread over. (cheering in the background)
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Devil Dog, it looks like theres a lot of misinformation out there about unions, and what they do and dont do. maybe some one should start a tread about that?

Mooney, i helped orgnize UPS Freight, they agreed to a card check. there was no bull from either side. we stood out by the gate, handing out literature, and talking to the employees as they came out and went in. i know for a fact, there were no threats(although i did get called a few names, lol).
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