Activists Rally for Bill Requiring Open Voting to Form Unions - Page 3 - Truckers' Trucking Forum

Mooney · **^ Top** #21 02.05.2009

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Originally Posted by penpal

Hopefully not for long. Move your company move your house. I dont think card check will haunt us like DAC. Do you really think the unions are thugging it out. News Flash the companies have found a new vigilante man its called technology. Ain't gotta worry about bats anymore when you can smear,cancel,cross out a man by the touch of key.

Should we all live in collectives?

penpal · **^ Top** #22 02.05.2009

I dont know how you went to hippie land from my last post. But I do believe we crown our good with brotherhood.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #23 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by walleye

I have,..And I have seen first hand what a company dose after it wins a decert,..I have seen the wages slashed,insurance eliminated,...and working conditions deteriorate,......
The funny thing is the same owners and managers that cut our wages down were taking raises and receiving bonuses,..These same people were always bragging about the company's profits month,...Yet there was no way they would allow the working man to get his wages and insurance back....
I consider myself a conservative,but I am all for collective bargaining for those of us that try to work for a living....

Lower wages, insurance cut, working conditions deteriorate AFTER a "decert".
Hell, we had the UNION do those same things TO us when they signed a contract with-out the members voting for it. THAT is why we decertified them.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #24 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by penpal

Most of the jobs we have lost, have gone to either socialist/commie countries. How many companies went to Canada, alot. I lost my job to Canada. My Dad is losing his job non union. We almost lost a huge portion of trucking to Mexico. Even when trucking wages have been collapsing. So unions are forcing companies to China a communist government? Companies will always take the cake and eat it, if we workers let them. "I own this company, I'm not letting some commie union in here. So I'm closing the gate movin it to communist China.

China has lost far more jobs than we have. WE lost most of our jobs NOT to other countries, but rather to advances in technology.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #25 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by penpal

Ain't gotta worry about bats anymore when you can smear,cancel,cross out a man by the touch of key.

Do you have any verified examples of this? Or have you been watching too many movies?

bigblue19 · **^ Top** #26 02.06.2009

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The funny thing is the same owners and managers that cut our wages down were taking raises and receiving bonuses,..These same people were always bragging about the company's profits month,...Yet there was no way they would allow the working man to get his wages and insurance back....

It is the business owner or shareholders right , not the workers right, to decide how the pie is separated. If you want that right then go start your own business.

Employee means just that. You are hired to do a job and the business pays you a fee for doing so. If you do not like the fees they pay for your services rendered, then you go work somewhere else.

You as a employee are not entitled to more money just because the company makes more money , that is the choice of the check writer whether they want you to get more.

Why are you not entitled you say? Because I seriously doubt that you would want your pay to fluctuate based on the performance of the company. Despite your hard work and maybe even overtime. Most workers are payed a fee based on hours and not performance that is not in their control. However Managers pay is sometimes based on company performance because they have more control over the sucess or failures of the company.

The fact is these Union types want to have control over a company they did not start or assume the risks of ownership in. They come along later and try to hijack the business owners workers and then extort the business out of making decisions without their approval. They are Bolsheviks thugs pure and simple and corrupt ones at that if you look at the history of Unions and organized crime and how they employ similar tactics to shake people down.

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I consider myself a conservative,but I am all for collective bargaining for those of us that try to work for a living....

You can call yourself what you like but shakedowns and extortion ie what the Unions call collective bargaining, is certainly not part of conservatism.

Most companies are not a bunch of big greedy goons who need to be taken out in the alley by Union thugs and sorted out till they comply with their wishes. They base their compensation packages on industry averages and the market they operate in.

You don't like your pay and benny's? THEN DON'T WORK FOR THEM.

Mooney · **^ Top** #27 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by bigblue19

It is the business owner or shareholders right , not the workers right, to decide how the pie is separated. If you want that right then go start your own business.

Employee means just that. You are hired to do a job and the business pays you a fee for doing so. If you do not like the fees they pay for your services rendered, then you go work somewhere else.

You as a employee are not entitled to more money just because the company makes more money , that is the choice of the check writer whether they want you to get more.

Why are you not entitled you say? Because I seriously doubt that you would want your pay to fluctuate based on the performance of the company.

The fact is these Union types want to have control over a company they did not start or assume the risks of ownership in. They come along later and try to hijack the business owners workers and then extort the business out of making decisions without their approval. They are Bolsheviks thugs pure and simple and corrupt ones at that if you look at the history of Unions and organized crime and how they employ similar tactics to shake people down.

You can call yourself what you like but shakedowns and extortion ie what the Unions call collective bargaining, is certainly not part of conservatism.

Most companies are not a bunch of big greedy goons who need to be taken out in the alley by Union thugs and sorted out till they comply with their wishes. They base their compensation packages on industry averages and the market they operate in.

You don't like your pay and benny's? THEN DON'T WORK FOR THEM.

What ^ he said.

retardwriterinthesun · **^ Top** #28 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by ziggystyles

Well hmm...
Of course the union workers want this to pass, thats obvious. The problem here is that it pressures individual workers. If you have a room of 10 people and they all do secret ballots, 4 for organizing, 6 against...you have no idea who the opposing people are.

With the card check program...you sign it. You say "bob smith wants unions" or vice versa. THEN, the union knows who is opposing it. Because they have your name and your viewpoint on that card. And try to convince me that Bob won't be harassed in some way or another.

If there is a going to be a vote for a union...then fine...have the vote...no harm there. But don't allow it to be set in a way that tells everybody and their dog who you voted for.

What are you afraid of?The non-union company has the right to terminate your employment at any time,for any reason.You make it sound like you have something to lose with card check.However,you have nothing now.

Mooney · **^ Top** #29 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by retardwriterinthesun

What are you afraid of?The non-union company has the right to terminate your employment at any time,for any reason.You make it sound like you have something to lose with card check.However,you have nothing now.

Chestnut67 · **^ Top** #30 02.06.2009

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Originally Posted by bigblue19

It is the business owner or shareholders right , not the workers right, to decide how the pie is separated. If you want that right then go start your own business.

Employee means just that. You are hired to do a job and the business pays you a fee for doing so. If you do not like the fees they pay for your services rendered, then you go work somewhere else.

You as a employee are not entitled to more money just because the company makes more money , that is the choice of the check writer whether they want you to get more.

Why are you not entitled you say? Because I seriously doubt that you would want your pay to fluctuate based on the performance of the company. Despite your hard work and maybe even overtime. Most workers are payed a fee based on hours and not performance that is not in their control. However Managers pay is sometimes based on company performance because they have more control over the sucess or failures of the company.

The fact is these Union types want to have control over a company they did not start or assume the risks of ownership in. They come along later and try to hijack the business owners workers and then extort the business out of making decisions without their approval. They are Bolsheviks thugs pure and simple and corrupt ones at that if you look at the history of Unions and organized crime and how they employ similar tactics to shake people down.

You can call yourself what you like but shakedowns and extortion ie what the Unions call collective bargaining, is certainly not part of conservatism.

Most companies are not a bunch of big greedy goons who need to be taken out in the alley by Union thugs and sorted out till they comply with their wishes. They base their compensation packages on industry averages and the market they operate in.

You don't like your pay and benny's? THEN DON'T WORK FOR THEM.

As a former (by choice) teamster I could not have said it any better!!

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