I fell out of good graces with the powers that be...

I am semi-banned... etc etc. (have no PM privs or much of anything else...)

YOU are not out of our good graces..

I guess we all make mistakes.

Is it the unions or union members that put companies out of business ? The unions can negotiate the contract but in the end the members vote on what to accept or what concessions to make . It's only natural for unions to want to increase membership but they can't do anything to a business that the employees don't agree to . DHL employees voted in union in . Now those workers are out of jobs after ratifying a contract that called for over $8 an hour in wage increases over 5 years . Who's to blame for the job loss ?

I will say that there are some who put down, degrade and over all have no respect for their own industry. I see it right here on this thread. Anyone that reads this thread knows it also. I know there was a time when Families camped outside plantations waiting for work and to get the work had to undercut his neighbor in the next tent. Some in here think that can not happen again. I see the slow movin train coming. I would like to see it stopped now. I know what stopped it before.

The end is near!

(age of aquarious)

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I also like cheese, UNIONS,beer and women

yeah - women are good... definately good.

Well I got spanked last time I went off so Im trying to relax and such. :P I don't get offended that easily, but it really angers me to no end when Im treated by union supporters like Im anti-American, that I'm not smart, have no self-respect...am a scab...etc. And then you have the people who bring up "better working conditions and wages" and all that...gets rather old dealing with the same ol same ol.

And that is better than calling someone who isn't a union worker...how? Either way, a phone call needs to be made to someone. Instead of a spider web of phone calls taking place...why not just call the owner op of a truck directly? Skip the middle man? Im guessing the union way would basically like you said, call the hall...have them scour their sheets for who is available...following various bylaws and such for people on the totem pole and all.
The non-union way is the thought passing through a managers head of "man...we need another driver, I wonder if Frank is available...he is always there for us when we need him and I know for a fact he works hard and gets the job done...Im going to give him a call."

Making a living yes, that is important. Earning that living is also equally important. Earning that living by forcing a high wage upon your employer....eh, Im not sure about that. But then again...round and round we go with that merry-go-round.

And working conditions...Not sure how much different that is either. The truck is where you spent most of your time, so thats going to be the same from company to company. external conditions such as working with a reciever...thats something that can be as simple as a relationship between the companies themselves.

And what I do is negotiate for myself.

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"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept Communism outright. But we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and realize you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy that you will fall like over ripe fruit into our hands."
Former Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev

yeah..

relax -

relax is good too ziggy.


I like to relax

"The corp executives who are, uh, non union, negotiated their salaries with the companies. The COMPANIES who ON THEIR OWN came up with that wage."

You give far, far too much credit to the most corporate executives. Many of them have not built a tent, let alone a company. Those individuals are simply taking over the helm from their predecessor. Executives negotiating their pay is equivalent to Congress voting on a raise for themselves, the company's appointed board of directors usually decides CEO pay and perks, and that is basically a "good ole boy" system run amok, you scratch my back and I scratch yours. Accountability for true performance rarely exists, and the failure of US manufacturers and exporters has as much to do with incompetent, derelict executives asleep at the wheel, fattening their own pockets, as it does with certain unions and labor contracts.

I have seen this with my own eyes when I was a machinist in aerospace; staunchly non-union companies supplying critical components to Boeing and Airbus, paying below industry average wages to machinists and every other trade, and still laying off, failing, and going broke because the executives were so incompetent and unqualified, unable to decide on a correct solution to even the simplest and most obvious manufacturing problem. The only thing that saved us was that cheaper labor markets domestically and abroad were incapable of producing these components to the strict specifications demanded by the likes of Boeing and Airbus. And people still wonder why I left that industry in a furor and ended up joining a union in construction trucking!!!!:biggrin _2552: